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    I just find it shocking how defensive so many people in this thread are getting.

    People are forgetting perceived and actual intent.

    The actual intent here (I believe) was Capcom choosing a setting for their game without any sort of racial bias. A member of the dev team said they liked the sun-drenched and lone wolf setting of Black Hawk Down, so they wanted to try and ape that a bit. In addition, RE:0 referenced something going on in Africa, so I'm assuming there will be throwbacks to that.

    Ok? I think we're all agreeing here that a bunch of isolated Japanese developers wouldn't think much about a big burly white guy brutally murdering a bunch of savage, inhuman black guys.

    But it's different in the US. For a long, long time, the social norm was that black people weren't equal to whites - that they weren't even human. If you seriously think that the public consciousness isn't going to do a double-take when seeing something that's somewhat reminiscent of a dark part in our nation's history, then you're out of your mind.

    Now, I'm not saying that the perceived intent (that this is supposed to be some sort of racial dominance) is valid. I'm not even trying to argue that IGN should have or have not written the article. But trying to dismiss the discussion because you're not offended is not only wrong but would probably do more harm than good. I'd like to think that we wouldn't have to go into this, but when we had a rant (or was it off-topic?) thread a few months ago with dozens of PSOWers trying to argue that using a racial slur was the proper way to refer to a group of people, I feel like we've got a problem.

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    I hardly think tuition funds for those with African American heritage is relevant to slavery over almost 200 years ago, otherwise there wouldn't be funds for other cultures as well I assume.

    How did I make myself look bad? Did you read the fact that I was posting my own mini rant and not just about the actual article? lol. I didn't talk about the article writer at all, actually, just brought up the fact that I was perterbed that this was still and issue.

    Saying black people are the way they are about anything because of slavery is pretty dumb, as I'm pretty sure almost every race has been enslaved and while naturally having some prejudice, I'm open minded enough to know that the African race (at least, if not ONLY in America) is the only one prominent to point the finger at that. (Look at the poor jews! They don't use that as an excuse, hardly.)

    Not to mention they wouldn't have even been brought to the Americas if the tribe leaders hadn't actually willingly SOLD them to us for money, but that's for another case (and no, I'm not saying it's right.)

    I just hope this isn't a case where they have to change something within the game because of people complaining. I remember, on a slightly related note, that a lot of the Spider-Man movie had to be reshot because many of the scenes had the Twin Towers in it.

    Are people this insecure about themselves? I could understand with the families that lost people in the twin towers (though they could simply not watch the movies), but I somehow doubt many black people that have been racially abused from the 1800's-1960's will be playing this game and getting offended.
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    Sensible human beings don't actually see a problem with Resident Evil 5 on this level. Besides, it's tired and old and typically the result of someone who made a bet to see who can make an article that gets more views.


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    Why the zombies gotta be white? Black zombies not good enough to be in games? Racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreXxiN View Post
    I hardly think tuition funds for those with African American heritage is relevant to slavery over almost 200 years ago, otherwise there wouldn't be funds for other cultures as well I assume.

    How did I make myself look bad? Did you read the fact that I was posting my own mini rant and not just about the actual article? lol. I didn't talk about the article writer at all, actually, just brought up the fact that I was perterbed that this was still and issue.

    Saying black people are the way they are about anything because of slavery is pretty dumb, as I'm pretty sure almost every race has been enslaved and while naturally having some prejudice, I'm open minded enough to know that the African race (at least, if not ONLY in America) is the only one prominent to point the finger at that. (Look at the poor jews! They don't use that as an excuse, hardly.)

    Are people this insecure about themselves? I could understand with the families that lost people in the twin towers (though they could simply not watch the movies), but I somehow doubt many black people that have been racially abused from the 1800's-1960's will be playing this game and getting offended.
    I'm not talking about the game, I was referring directly to your and Aisha's comments.

    The point isn't that Black people would or would not get offended. It's that you're claiming that, lol, slavery's influences are gone. Some of those people are still alive, y'know. The people that couldn't vote? The people that got attacked by police dogs? Jews don't need to use an excuse, and neither do black people. The suffering is fact. It does not need to be acknowledged in video games, it does not need to be substantiated on a video game. These things have happened, and lynchings are the sorts of things that tend to linger.

    That said, things are certainly better than before, and people independently decide to support the United Negro College Fund. There are scholarship programs for a wide variety of reasons; is being smart and Black not a good enough one?

    Also, where the hell are the Black people offended by this game that everyone is complaining about? I have not seen people taking to the streets. I have not seen Black power rallies in retaliation. Why is everyone blaming Black people for the controversy? Sounds like white people getting offended on behalf of Black people, and thus offending other white people. And then the Black folks get blamed. What the hell.

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    Edited for removal due to Seo posting on my account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solstis View Post
    Also, where the hell are the Black people offended by this game that everyone is complaining about? I have not seen people taking to the streets. I have not seen Black power rallies in retaliation. Why is everyone blaming Black people for the controversy? Sounds like white people getting offended on behalf of Black people, and thus offending other white people. And then the Black folks get blamed. What the hell.
    Seriously... This is totally right. Every discussion of "ZOMG, this game is racist!" Has been started and almost entirely debated by white people. Maybe it's guilt for their own racist minds or something that would cause them to find fault in the fact that small african villages are full of africans.

    There is absolutely no reason for this discussion, and the discussion about real vs perceived intentions is completely invalid, because no one in their right mind could say that Capcom's intention was ever to promote racism or any kind of lynching. IS there racism in America? Sure as hell is! Would ANY rational human being think this game is racist? No.

    It's not a "what japanese people see" vs "what americans see" either... it's a rational vs irrational. I read somewhere that Capcom added white people in the game here and there to try to quell the cries of racism.

    To me, that's even worse.

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    I believe in race equality, thus I equally believe if I am able to headshot a white man, I should be able to headshot a black man in the same sense. I got through a game where I had to kill Spaniards. Does that make me racist towards the Spanish?

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