Why only newmen and humans excel at Acrotecher.

[Tra]

On 2007-04-16 17:21, -Shimarisu- wrote:

On 2007-04-16 17:13, Tra wrote:
You know you forgot to add in what I've stated in the WT guide, not only the damage modifier that you're missing from that extra 10 PA levels, you're also missing the third combo.

You say you want to solo? I can tell you that Renkai... 1st combo hits 6 times, 2nd hits 6 times, 3rd hits 12 times along with a blowback. But mmm guess you don't mind that

Dus daggas, same thing. 1st part hits 4 times, 2nd hits 6, third hits 9 times. Each of those last 9 hits hit stronger than the rest. Try it yourself. You're missing a TON of ownage on big multiple target things that can't be knocked back if you don't have lv21 dus daggas for example. Want a video?

Get out of my topic please, we're talking projected Illuminous stats anyway, not your boring WT hate.

WT is going to get that third combo in Illuminous. And newmen should still stick to AT.

My point stands on why newmen suck at WT, it will moreso in Illumuinous when they get a hybrid role they are better at.

I am not talking about WT anymore, I am just helping out your point in saying AT's lack the melee power, can you comprehend? AT will have lv20 PAs, WT will have lv30, which was exactly the point I was making to help benefit yours. Maybe you shouldn't take things so seriously.

[-Shimarisu-]

Eh, OK then. WT is definitely getting changed for the better though. I see they have incresed tech at job level 10 now, but the melee side is still superior. So newman could be "OK" at WT too after expansion, but I still feel they fare better in the hands of beast or human. I'd put cast a little out of the picture now for WT, if they are getting increased tech.

AT is definitely a human/newman role.
WT is definitely more ATP orientated, but with increased TP they COULD be playable in the hands of newman now. I am still making my newman alternate between FT and AT. Especially given the fact I feel that putting all the WT capable melee PAs on him is an absolute waste of his capacity for tech.

[omegapirate2k]

I agree with pretty much everything you said in this topic, shim, and therefore I endorse this topic with the official omega seal of quality.

[Tra]

The only thing that's gonna determine how good a wartecher is... how fortefighter fares, since they have lv40 PAs... but it looks like they're doing much better so far, at least they are able to outdamage fTs in the ranged department (not status effect yet though) finally.

[SolomonGrundy]

With regard to WT:
ok, thanks, those are th #s I was looking for. 2/3rd is the hard assesment I am sticking with


As for ArcoTecher:
I would say that the argument for Human/Newman AT is simple. High % modifier for TP, EVP, MST,

Looking though, the HP/ATP modifier of the class, coupled with high DFP of Casts, may turn this into another ranger alt. hybrid. (level 30 twin handgun bullets, and S rank cards).

Think about this: same ATP as the current Guntecher, *more* HP/DFP than the GT (and there are plenty of Cast GTs), 20% less ATA (but level 50 zodial, ftw), and SE 4 with foie 21+ (with a TP modifier that will allow even Casts to equip any wand they want)

Yep, I can forsee Cast AcroTecher. Beast AT not as much, but mebbe...



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SolomonGrundy on 2007-04-16 18:29 ]</font>

[Kimil]

I'm still at least trying out AT as my beast. I KNOW I will do zero damage with attack techs and melee ( mostlikely cards too ) but... if I focus on support, my stats mean nothing at all ( except maybe for resta, but my +10 6* wands ( the tenora and GRM ones ), lvl 41+ retier andresta and a force unit should raise the resta output high ennough.

Infact, if I play support only as a beast AT ( Buffs, debuffs, revives, digaz/rentis, heals, reverser ) the only stat that will matter will be my high racial HP so I can take frontline positions.

Playstyle i'm guessing I'll do as a beast AT:

prior to fights:
- Shifta/Deband/Zodial/Retier and then Digas/Rentis the other members
- Heal if needed

Durring fights ( staying close to the hunters to act as healbot ):
- Zalure/Jellen/Zondeel everything in the room and keep enemy buffs down
- Heal when needed Resta/Reverser/Giresta
- If everyone is healthy, cause SE with dualies or Cards
-Rebuff if needed
- Digas/rentis continuasly
- Crowd control : Knock down eneies with certain melee PAs.
- Maybe through in a Gizonde for Shock or Dambarta for Freeze.

I KNOW I wont ever do more than half the damage of other players, but AT is primarily the support class anyways so I'll play it support only. As long as I leave the damage dealing to beast hunters or newm Forces and support them as they do, I shouldn't need to worry. I hope.


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[ShinMaruku]

AT will make Areshe-Nei complete.. XD

[Soukosa]

On 2007-04-16 18:26, SolomonGrundy wrote:

With regard to WT:
ok, thanks, those are th #s I was looking for. 2/3rd is the hard assesment I am sticking with


As for ArcoTecher:
I would say that the argument for Human/Newman AT is simple. High % modifier for TP, EVP, MST,

Looking though, the HP/ATP modifier of the class, coupled with high DFP of Casts, may turn this into another ranger alt. hybrid. (level 30 twin handgun bullets, and S rank cards).

Think about this: same ATP as the current Guntecher, *more* HP/DFP than the GT (and there are plenty of Cast GTs), 20% less ATA (but level 50 zodial, ftw), and SE 4 with foie 21+ (with a TP modifier that will allow even Casts to equip any wand they want)

Yep, I can forsee Cast AcroTecher. Beast AT not as much, but mebbe...

The class is optimized for techs with some melee and geared towards relying on EVP... WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO USE A RACE THAT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY?

If you want to do ranged support, play a GT. Though, GT's TP mod almost doubles at lv 10 after AoI, so even human and newman GTs would out class casts still. Simple point being, casts and beasts weren't meant for support classes. If you want a support char, make a human or newman. (Don't bring up that the pointless buff argument, resta is far more important than the rest of the support spells).

On 2007-04-16 21:00, Kimil wrote:
I'm still at least trying out AT as my beast. I KNOW I will do zero damage with attack techs and melee ( mostlikely cards too ) but... if I focus on support, my stats mean nothing at all ( except maybe for resta, but my +10 6* wands ( the tenora and GRM ones ), lvl 41+ retier andresta and a force unit should raise the resta output high ennough.

Again, the class is geared towards techs... Beasts have pathetic TP even compared to a human, especially with that high of a TP mod. If you aren't using a race that suits the class well then you aren't gonna be helping the party much, especially if you're gonna be the main means of support. If you want to support so badly, make a race that's good for it. It's gonna be a couple months at least before AoI comes, you have time to make a new char.

[Zael]

Zael approves of this topic, and all of the OP's points.

[Alisha]

On 2007-04-16 17:48, Tra wrote:
The only thing that's gonna determine how good a wartecher is... how fortefighter fares, since they have lv40 PAs... but it looks like they're doing much better so far, at least they are able to outdamage fTs in the ranged department (not status effect yet though) finally.

old beast F 100/10 stats
hp:2823
atp:1003
ata:268
tp:173
dfp:242
evp:153
mst:69

AoI beast F 100/10 stats
hp:2954
atp:1097
ata:268
tp:207
dfp:242
evp:153
mst:91


male breaks 3k hp....