Who would like to see Espers come back as a 'Race'?

[pionear]

Who would like to see these guys come back as a Race in PSU? I know they were the main Magic Users, so maybe Newmans would have some competition.



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[Eauijhkuu]

To revive Espers would mean to revive Magic since they were basically the only race that could use it.

And that would completely destroy the whole point of Techniques that Forces use

Unless they configured it to be used like Rune's abilities in PS4...Cast's SUVs or Beasts Nanoblasts. Then I yeah..maybe.

[Nai_Calus]

Except Espers are just normal humans who happen to have inherited the genetic trait for magic use. Not much of a 'race', there, any more than people who happen to have inherited an ability to sing well. (Though being able to use magic would be arguably more useful.)

Actually, I suppose there could be some debate over what an Esper actually is. Is it *just* someone who can use magic, or are there other requirements as far as abilities as well? Since both Alis and Myau could use magic in PSI but nobody ever claims they were Espers. XP Further confusing things is that in the Japanese version of PSII Lutz claims to be Algol's last Esper... Anyone ever figure out WTF a Telemental is supposed to be in the English version? (I suppose it could be terms shifting over time and you can explain it away as back in AW 342 'Esper' referred to someone with the abilities Lutz demonstrates in PSII, i.e. teleportation and telepathy, but over time it came to refer to anyone who could simply use magic. 'Twould make sense.)

[pionear]

I still think they're are a race.





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[HUnewearl_Meira]

No they're not. They're just Palmans with the genetically inheritted ability to use magic. Some people have a genetic trait that lets them curl the edge of their tongue five places, too, but that doesn't make them a different race. Just the same, some people are born extremely short, despite having normally-sized parents. That does not make them a separate race. Some people are born with the potential to become Diabetic. This does not make them anything other than human. Rune and Kyra no more or less a Palman than are Chaz and Hahn. Chaz was born with blond hair, and Hahn with brown. Shockingly, they are still both Palman. All of these Palmans will live to be anywhere from 55 to 105 years old, assuming that they die of natural causes and fail to have themselves crygenically frozen.

Simply enough, having Espers in addition to Forces would be redundant. Arguably, a Force can be described as being an Esper. Furthermore, the Communion of Gurhal can be seen as a parallel to the Esper Mansion.

[OdinTyler]

Also, if youre going to bring back Espers (they are Palmans), you might as well bring back Motavians & Dezorians. I, for one, would have no problem with this. Wasnt there a rumor that Rolf (after PSII) & Rika (before or after PSIV) received Esper training. I doubt its true, but, Ive always wondered about this.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

On 2007-03-08 07:31, OdinTyler wrote:
Wasnt there a rumor that Rolf (after PSII) & Rika (before or after PSIV) received Esper training.

We have no idea what happened to Rolf or his party after PSII. Whether they lived or died is knowledge beyond us. Best to leave it be.

As for Rika, well, who's to say? She was created as a breeding partner for the Palman race, to make them better suited to Motavia's declining climate conditions, so presumably she ended up with children. I don't know how much time that leaves for Esper training. Still, who's to say?

[pionear]

On 2007-03-07 04:11, Ian-KunX wrote:
Except Espers are just normal humans who happen to have inherited the genetic trait for magic use. Not much of a 'race', there, any more than people who happen to have inherited an ability to sing well. (Though being able to use magic would be arguably more useful.)

Actually, I suppose there could be some debate over what an Esper actually is. Is it *just* someone who can use magic, or are there other requirements as far as abilities as well? Since both Alis and Myau could use magic in PSI but nobody ever claims they were Espers. XP Further confusing things is that in the Japanese version of PSII Lutz claims to be Algol's last Esper... Anyone ever figure out WTF a Telemental is supposed to be in the English version? (I suppose it could be terms shifting over time and you can explain it away as back in AW 342 'Esper' referred to someone with the abilities Lutz demonstrates in PSII, i.e. teleportation and telepathy, but over time it came to refer to anyone who could simply use magic. 'Twould make sense.)

That's why I say they are a race. If Beast are genetically changed Humans as well as Newmans, then Espers must be a race as well.

Black people and White people are Humans too, but are divided as a race because of skin and facial differences.

I'm Lutz, the last telemental on Algo.

Taken from PSII. If he was just a regular human, he wouldn't say something like that.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

Beasts and Newmans are altered to such a degree that they're a different sub-species altogether. Still genetically compatible it seems, but with different physiologies altogether. Beasts, for example, have shape-shifting abilities. If people's assumptions are true, then it may be the same with Newmans, if they ever find some Laerma nuts. They're still homonids, maybe even humans, but they're not Homo sapien. Their bodies are not the same. Espers' bodies are the same, and the differences trivial. Furthermore, their ability to use magic is spread out all across the Palman race, to varying degrees. Some can use full-blown magic, some can use a wide range of techniques, some can use just a few techniques, and others can't use techniques at all. Even Dezolians have those among them that can use magic, but they generally end up as priests, instead of joining with the Espers. Even some of the animal life can use magic. Magic and Techniques are merely something that occurs in the genetics of Algol, and the ability to use these things does not define one race from another.

So no, Espers are not a race, and again, Forces are, in essense, Espers in and of themselves. They simply lack the Esper organization that we saw in Algol.

[pionear]

On 2007-03-08 13:26, HUnewearl_Meira wrote:
Beasts and Newmans are altered to such a degree that they're a different sub-species altogether. Still genetically compatible it seems, but with different physiologies altogether. Beasts, for example, have shape-shifting abilities. If people's assumptions are true, then it may be the same with Newmans, if they ever find some Laerma nuts. They're still homonids, maybe even humans, but they're not Homo sapien. Their bodies are not the same. Espers' bodies are the same, and the differences trivial. Furthermore, their ability to use magic is spread out all across the Palman race, to varying degrees. Some can use full-blown magic, some can use a wide range of techniques, some can use just a few techniques, and others can't use techniques at all. Even Dezolians have those among them that can use magic, but they generally end up as priests, instead of joining with the Espers. Even some of the animal life can use magic. Magic and Techniques are merely something that occurs in the genetics of Algol, and the ability to use these things does not define one race from another.

So no, Espers are not a race, and again, Forces are, in essense, Espers in and of themselves. They simply lack the Esper organization that we saw in Algol.

That doesnt make any sense. If every one can do what the Espers do, then why freeze one for 1000 years? Obviously, they are a special type of human, which makes them a exclusive Race.

And they use Magic, not Techniques, which seems to be to different things in the Phantasy Star world.

And like I said before, Race can mean many things besides physical traits. Blacks, Asians, and Whites have the same bodies as well, but are separated by racial stock/features.

And finally, I compare the Espers to the Certa of Final Fantasy 7; A ancient Race of people who been around for a long time.







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