% vs ATP

[Razelchen]

Yeah but when does that kick in? 30%+ or 40%+?
Well I guess I am just going for 40%+ to be safe.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

The ATP listed for a weapon is only it's max value, some weapons for example Bil De Axe have high ATP variance whereas element % is static.

[Razelchen]

Oh true FOnewearl-Lina, I forgot about that.

[valleycat]

So,, what is the actual formula?

[Razelchen]

I did another test yesterday:

Melton's Skillet Set 328 Att. 36 % Ground vs Heavy Twins 338 Att. 46 % Ground

Field: Lightning Beast S
Me: 150 Beast Fortefighter 19

Difference in dmg was a whooping ~ 40

Really dissapointing, I mean the Heavy Twins have 10 Att and 10% more element. Not sure if it's really worth to spend the extra money on 40%+ weapons

Am I missing here something?

[valleycat]

I did another test yesterday:

Melton's Skillet Set 328 Att. 36 % Ground vs Heavy Twins 338 Att. 46 % Ground

Field: Lightning Beast S
Me: 150 Beast Fortefighter 19

Difference in dmg was a whooping ~ 40

Really dissapointing, I mean the Heavy Twins have 10 Att and 10% more element. Not sure if it's really worth to spend the extra money on 40%+ weapons

Am I missing here something?

it sounds like you not hitting lightning monsters

[Magician]

it sounds like you not hitting lightning monsters

[OT] That's the funniest thing I've read all day, thank you.

Back on topic.

Razelchen, if the damage difference between both weapons is only fourty damage then it appears that elemental percentages do only affect a weapon's attack power and is not calculated with a character's overall atp.

[Arada]

Oh, yes, overall ATP (Character + Weapon + Armor ATP Bonus if applicable + Unit ATP bonus if applicable) are affected by weapon attribute rate.

I'll just use the Attack formula to show with a character with 1200 ATP against an enemy with 500 DFP with a basic attack (against lightning enemies)

Melton stuff: ((1500 + 328 ) * (1+ (0.75 * 0.36)) - 500) / 5 = (1828 * 1.27 - 500) / 5 = 364
Heavy twins: ((1500 + 338 ) * (1+ (0.75 * 0.46)) - 500) / 5 = (1838 * 1.345 - 500) / 5 = 394

Difference: 30

The difference is higher if you add the PA modifiers but you will not get a much larger gap. Also keep in mind that there is variance not taken into account here.

[Libram]

You guys should disable smilies in your posts. It's getting a bit confusing.

[Razelchen]

Ok I understand that, thanks for the input. But basically this means 36 % is nearly as good as 46 %, right? And on top of that much cheaper.

I wonder if I should've sticked to my Twin DB's sword (7/10 with 20%).....

And here I was and thought more % is always better, especially when it's a gap of +10%.