FT vs Masterforces? (Honestly...)

[EienRozen]

TP (Based on Lvl 140 male newman, Lvl 20 *class*)
Fortetecher-2491
Masterforce-2162
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Spell name: Fortetecher and Masterforce Damage (average)
Level 40 spell-damage percent at spell level
Level 50 spell-damage percent at spell level
Percent difference of 10 spell levels
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Foie: FT-6975 MF-6486
Lv40-280
Lv50-300
20%

Megid: FT-4359 MF-4000
Lv40-175
Lv50-185
10%

Dambarta: FT-3487 MF-3459
Lv40-140
Lv50-160
20%

Damdiga: FT-3737 MF-3675
Lv40-150
Lv50-170
20%

Noszonde: FT-4732 MF-4756
Lv40-190
Lv50-220
30%

Regrant: FT-2989 MF-3243
Lv40-120
Lv50-150
30%

As we can plainly see, unless the percent difference (in the 10 extra spell levels) is ~30%+ Fortetecher does more raw damage.
Now 41+ Ra- spells hit one extra target, but so do the fortetechers Ra- spells anyways.
Masterforces use more PP per spell, and higher level spells cost even more,
and even with the very slight PP regeneration bonus, it is a far cry from the 20% less PP per cast the Fortetecher gets. VERY energy ineffecient.
As for the spell casting bonus speed the Masterforce gets, it is completely decimated by a Fortetecher with a Har/Quick, as they have more TP to start with. Sure this takes up your head slot (and a possible TP bonus for the Masterforce to compensate with), but why even cast faster if you can't keep stocked on Photon charges (10 max omg...)
Even with the Masterforces damage sometimes peaking over the Fortetechers in a very raw formula, it was done completely leaving out the +20% damage bonus from Rods that the Fortetechers get and the masterforces do not.

With all this said as a masterforce you will get:
Less Health
Less ATP
Less ATA
Less TP (Wtf?)
More DFP
Less EVP (literally half)
More MST
Less END (-2)
No bonus to Newmans, so no +3%
+10 Damage spell levels, in exchange for -30 Support skill levels.
and new spell effects/graphics (YAY!)

I don't get it.
I mean sure, your spells will look a little bit cooler,
but by comparison Masterforces suck.(In my personal opinion)
So why?
Why play a Masterforce?

[Wolfette]

it was done completely leaving out the +20% damage bonus from Rods that the Fortetechers get and the masterforces do not.

Rod does 20% bonus damage.
It's a weapon spec, not job spec.
In term of DPS, MF > FT coz' of casting speed.

thats all.
the damage / pp loss ratio is less good, however.

Actually, MF is pretty weak, as is FT, but FT can also have a role support.
With the future update, MF will have a true role of DD.

/topic.

[EienRozen]

Rod does 20% bonus damage.
It's a weapon spec, not job spec.

Uh ->http://psupedia.info/Fortetecher
For fortetechers, they get an ADDITIONAL +20% for damage spells from rods.

[Libram]

Couple questions:

1. Don't the quick units speed up Masterforce casting time as well?
2. Isn't the 20% TECH boost for just rods as a weapon, not Fortetecher exclusive?

[VetroDrago]

Yes my masterforce with har quick is really fast. Why do I play MF? Well besides the speed (fav part) and the 41+ techs, I love the challenge and I like playing types that are often frowned upon.

[EienRozen]

Yea the quicks speed up Masterforce too, but at the cost of -100 TP, which they already have less of. (That was my main point there.)
And I put in a link to psupedia that plainly states the %20 bonus to Rods is a seperate (possibly stackable?) bonus, different from the +12% bonus rods themselves get. Fortetecher only.

[Libram]

Har/Smart doesn't reduce PP, and since it gives a reduction in range you're less likely to overshoot a Ra TECH. With the insane range a MF gets with their Ras all you need to do is point it in a group's direction and hit everything, and as they're all flinching from the hit the MF can hit them again and not worry about the enemy suddenly breaking free.

I'm a little suspect about that link. I remember for the longest time people made sure to put that Rods, not FTs, would get a boost to any TECH cast from that weapon.

[Turb0]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that 20% rod bonus is talking about the rod power boost we got maybe a year ago. Rods didn't use to be that powerful and DPS-wise wands and tech mags were better so they gave all spells a 20% boost when cast with a rod. (Meaning force and masterforce would have it too)

[EienRozen]

Har/Smart doesn't reduce PP, and since it gives a reduction in range you're less likely to overshoot a Ra TECH. With the insane range a MF gets with their Ras all you need to do is point it in a group's direction and hit everything, and as they're all flinching from the hit the MF can hit them again and not worry about the enemy suddenly breaking free.

That is actually a good idea, I give you that. I was unaware of that item.
Still, the damage output would be around the same as a Fortetecher with the same items.

I'm a little suspect about that link. I remember for the longest time people made sure to put that Rods, not FTs, would get a boost to any TECH cast from that weapon.

I noticed the difference myself, though I'm not sure they stack.

Gotta sleep. Will reply to thread tomorrow.
'Night.

[stukasa]

IMO you need to take advantage of MF's speed to get the most out of the class. That means using a Har / Smart (or Quick) and tech-mags as your primary weapon. Now that we can get weapon badges at Innocent Girl you can get a few Pushans if you don't have some already. Save your rods for the "hold techs" (Nos- & Dam- techs, mainly). Use your tech-mags for everything else.

The level 50 techs, wider range, extra target, and casting speed are the main selling points of MF. You're right that their stats look worse on paper but I'm still killing enemies faster as a MF than I did as a FT.