Casual use of Over End is bad...

[The_Pup]

From the "best photon blast" thread...

I'm bored... So I'll just do some number crunching...

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Definitions:

DPS = Damage/Time

Time = (charge*modifier) + animation
Damage = Attacks*modifier

100% = 1 attack.
250% = 2.5 attacks
750% = 7.5 attacks, Over End max damage

Over End charge = 3.7 seconds
Over End animation = ~1 second

Flozir 2 chain = .50 modifier to charge
Compress PA = .66 modifier to charge (1.00-.33%)

Flozir 3 chain = 2.0 modifier to attacks.

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Applied without animation:

Without Flozir, Over End would do 7.5 attacks over 3.7 seconds or 2.0270 attacks per second.
Without Flozir with Compress PA, Over End would do 7.5 attacks over 2.479 seconds or 3.0254 attacks per second.
With 2 chain Flozir, Over End would do 7.5 attacks in 1.85 seconds or 4.0541 attacks per second.
With 3 chain Flozir, Over End would do 15 attacks in 1.85 seconds or 8.1081 attacks per second.

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This is only taking charge times into account and not attack animations, which add ~1 second, so I'll do that math below...

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Applied with animation:

Without Flozir: 7.5 attacks, 3.7 charge, 1 second animation: (7.5/(3.7+1)) = 1.5957 attacks per second.
Without Flozir (Compress PA): 7.5 attacks, 2.479 charge, 1 second animation: (7.5/(2.479+1)) = 2.1558 attacks per second
With Flozir (2-chain): 7.5 attacks, 1.85 charge, 1 second animation: (7.5/(1.85+1)) = 2.6316 attacks per second.
With Flozier (3-chain): 15 attacks, 1.85 charge, 1 second animation: (15/(1.85+1)) = 5.2632 attacks per second.

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Charge times:
http://pszero.wikiwiki.jp/?%A5%D5%A5...A2%A1%BC%A5%C4

Charge time modifiers:
http://www.pso-world.com/sections.ph...cle&artid=2603
http://www.pso-world.com/psz-items.php?item=482

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Note how the increase is exponential. You can get off 3 normal sword attacks in less than 1.5 seconds, so Over End by itself, against a single enemy, is actually less efficient than normally attacking with the sword (aside from range, hits against multiple enemies and the ability to ignore walls). Over End would probably make a good opener against multiple enemies or a single large enemy, but not as a main means of attack.

Anyone spot any errors? Because everything is all there.

Issues I have with this:

- Compress PA + 2-chain Flozir: Does it stack?
- Time for Over End's attack animation to run.

Minor issues:

- The guide doesn't take into account elements, resistances, percents, ATP, ATA or EVP, however I think this is moot.
- Guide only takes into account attacking a single enemy. Does not take into account attacking from a distance, attacking groups, etc.

[JonseyMcFly]

That hurt my brain.

[rickfrior]

Uh, can you just explain it in a sentence?

[johnwolf]

you'd do the same amout of damage if you spamed heavy attack with a sword compaired to the over rated over end photon art that needs time to attack and recover. its just to slow to exicute.

[SneakySneaky]

Flozir does stack with compress PA. I can feel the charge speed boosted after the 4 chains PB.

[Macman]

I've never used Over End (mostly because I don't have a decent HU yet) but I would imagine it's better off being charged ahead of time during periods where there's nothing to attack and using it as a surprise start.

[rhubarbot]

From the "best photon blast" thread...



Anyone spot any errors? Because everything is all there.

Issues I have with this:

- Compress PA + 2-chain Flozir: Does it stack?
- Time for Over End's attack animation to run.

Minor issues:

- The guide doesn't take into account elements, resistances, percents, ATP, ATA or EVP, however I think this is moot.
- Guide only takes into account attacking a single enemy. Does not take into account attacking from a distance, attacking groups, etc.

If this thread's about how Over End is Over Rated, I'm absolutely 100% behind you there. If it's also about how people base too many of their "optimal build" arguments on meticulous calculation and theorycrafting, instead of rigorous real-world testing, then I'm even moreso on board with this thread.

I'm not quite sure if that's what the thread's about, though.

[GantzDetainee]

hmm do we have to make some theory and some complex calculations just to see and prove that Over end being overpowered?

[Astropuyo]

It's not over powered!
It's Over Charged.

[rhubarbot]

I think all those calculations were trying to prove that OE is inferior to just swinging the sword at stuff. Only true if you've got a highly implausible Celeb 3 Milias Breaker with accuracy adjust, and use Milias Frame with it.... then you have enough ATA to do heavy>heavy reliably. That does do a lot of damage. But just swinging a sword at things pales in comparison to spamming OE. This becomes very apparent if you test it out by playing the actual game, instead of just running a bunch of numbers.