I just have a question about which RANGER to choose on Phantasy Star Zero.

[Galax]

For some people, the fun of a game is learning how it works and exploiting its weaknesses to mitigate its difficulty. I'm one of those people. I want to outsmart a game - to me, THAT'S entertainment. The challenge is learning and exploiting a system and when I complete that challenge, I have fun.

Yes, I can imagine games with no challenge. Chrono Trigger is a great example. I play that game probably once a year because it's so much fun. And each time I learn a new way of playing that makes me more efficient than before, even through New Game+ playthroughs. And it's fun every time, even though it provides no challenge whatsoever to me, even in a fresh playthrough. Other games like this would be Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, Final Fantasy 4, Symphony of the Night, and Ocarina of Time. All games that I could probably beat one-handed but I keep playing them because they are crazy fun experiences.

True, and I myself just thought of some...
The Battle Network series.
Once you get the right battlechips, NOTHING is really...hard.
I have all 6 games, atleast one of 3, 4, 5, & 6, but they're really not challenging anymore.

But yes, I can see how you're able to make the argument you've made.
But can you see how I made mine? Not everyone is going to share your point of view on this. I'll admit, most likely alot will, but not everyone.

[pkrockin]

True, and I myself just thought of some...
The Battle Network series.
Once you get the right battlechips, NOTHING is really...hard.
I have all 6 games, atleast one of 3, 4, 5, & 6, but they're really not challenging anymore.

But yes, I can see how you're able to make the argument you've made.
But can you see how I made mine? Not everyone is going to share your point of view on this. I'll admit, most likely alot will, but not everyone.

Not really. It's pretty rare when I derive enjoyment from gimping myself.

*MASSIVE 'SPLOSION SENDS THREAD REELING BACK TO TOPIC*

I tried playing a RAmar who got all my first character's hand-me-downs, and it was still really tough. Not "wow, they've really worked to make this game challenging" tough, but more like "dang, they didn't think this guy's design through at all" tough. It was frustrating instead of challenging. Considering that RAmarl takes that to the extreme, I recommend RAcast. Maybe RAcaseal if you really like lady robots.

[Galax]

Not really. It's pretty rare when I derive enjoyment from gimping myself.

*MASSIVE 'SPLOSION SENDS THREAD REELING BACK TO TOPIC*

I tried playing a RAmar who got all my first character's hand-me-downs, and it was still really tough. Not "wow, they've really worked to make this game challenging" tough, but more like "dang, they didn't think this guy's design through at all" tough. It was frustrating instead of challenging. Considering that RAmarl takes that to the extreme, I recommend RAcast. Maybe RAcaseal if you really like lady robots.

That's how it was for me at the start of my RAmar, too.
But once I got by that, the challenge made it really fun.

[Chaos Rappy]

See, for me, the challenge I was all for for the most part... however, taking over 8 hours to do the HARD ET at around level 60 was just stupid to me... I can't imagine how long it would take for SH, even with a level 100 RAmar. <_<

[psz rocs!]

As a PSO player... having a really good hunter with no challenge is tiring... and now I see why the challenge would be fun. So, i've decided i'll be a RAmar. But im gonna think about it for a while and my thoughts might change.

[Galax]

See, for me, the challenge I was all for for the most part... however, taking over 8 hours to do the HARD ET at around level 60 was just stupid to me... I can't imagine how long it would take for SH, even with a level 100 RAmar. <_<

I was lv7x or something like that doing SH ET all the way through...
Took me 3+ days of seperate sittings to beat it all.
But I did it.

[Macman]

My first SH ET run was with a level 95 RAcast.
Took me about 9 hours.

[ARChan]

Because of the increased material consumption, RAmar can be more flexible than a RAcast. This means RAmar can efficiently use even slicers if the player wants to be so silly about their growth. FOcast? Ever heard of FOmar? I admit it's fun to see a RAcast doing Funny Dive or Rodeo Drive but where's the efficiency with it? Also, I've read someone using Fire Traps over Foie as a reason to bash in RAmar. WTF, mate? Why would you even use Foie when you got other means to inflict a burn? An offense tech should not be used for its status effect but for its infliction, hence why it's called an OFFENSE tech.

Most RAcast players tend to prefer the Carabinier Armor and the Keplar Suit whereas most RAmar tend to prefer the Noble Cloak and the Keplar Suit. Seriously, I believe the Keplar Suit is more of a RAcast armor because of its sucky EVP in comparison to the Noble Cloak. If you're a RAcast wanting to use a Noble Cloak, you're making a big mistake.

RAcast usually have problems in Arca Plant because of their inability to dodge effectively. Arkzein and Humilias can prove to be problems. At least with RAmar, you have a much higher chance to dodge a fatal attack that RAcast have to roll out of the way for. What's the use of numbers if you can't deal enough of it?

An effective RAmar/marl player should not worry about the Aljellen/zalure unless they're willing to use it on a mass of them and then run away. Simply just use the basic form of it to apply it at a handgun range and continue shooting. For this case, I'd like a Zalure. If the enemies are bunching around you, use Aljellen and relocate. I honestly think that Zalure use as a RAmar/marl should be used more as its basic form so that you could maintain a far distance from your target and maintain shooting at the distance. Leave the Aljellen/zalure for the FO class, since a Lv 13+ practically covers most of the stage. Seriously, I think people are forgetting the basic forms of the support techs. It's time consuming. I should know.

@psz rocs!: I'm guessing you're prefering the RAmar or RAcast for the Keplar Suit and willing to hunt for those Missouri and Yasminkov to the ends of the earth. I prefer actually starting out with the underdog and stick with the RAmar. I admit that his Resta is poop in comparison to a RAmarl but at least you have some other means to heal when you want to buy some mates/star atomizers. When you finally get that damned Keplar Suit (very rare for a 4-slot) and at least an M14, H10, or RX4 Missouri, you can then switch to a RAcast. Trust me, it's going to take a while for the Keplar.

However, if you're just willing to pick either of them, there are the typical attitudes of players. There are two major groups: High Infliction and Effective Support.

1. Seeing as a majority of players want to find that glory in high damage infliction with bragging rights of speed runs, you might find solo runs easier. You're basically the blade, or the RAcast. You tend to laugh when you see a teammate die.

2. The minority find pride in keeping everyone alive and brag that support techs really do help the team. Because of this, team runs will be easier. You're basically the shield, or the RAmar. You tend to eye the HP of the team and try to find something to do about it.

If you feel the opposite for some reason, I believe you're in the wrong spot.

[Galax]

I just jellen the big guys/boosted enemies when I feel I cannot handle them otherwise.
But I don't use any techs other than anti, resta, and jellen as a RAmar.
I was once told "Jellen isn't effective"
I was thinking "Yeah, but when you're a RAmar running around without meatshield NPCs, you're gonna want it"
Anybody who underestimates the uses of jellen, really needs to play a RAmar/RAmarl and try to make it by without. The moment you cave and give in to jellen, see if you can remember how many runs of the higher up areas you've done.

[PSZFann]

i like RAcaseal lol >.<