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    Quote Originally Posted by FOnewearl-Lina View Post
    And you call these people your friends...

    Are they from Nice Korea or Naughty Korea?
    North Korea is best Korea. XD
    Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?

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    I know as a matter of conscience that SEGA itself isn't going around banning everything and everyone. If I wanted to Ban foreigners, I would simply IP Block by creating DENY *.* filter, and then add in ALLOW (first IP number).* into a large list. This is the common way one bans, by entire ISPs (using first and second numbers).

    The second way, more effective to ban is the method that I use in my servers, which is to allow any connection to reach the server, then do a traceroute back to the connection source and if it identifies with any area outside the region specified, instant ban. In this way one can program strings and numbers like National ID numbers and countryNames against a small database to be more effective.

    As far as Ive seen, Japanese rather get the most bang for their offers by forcing foreigners into the most expensive route for anything. However, when I see Japanese in servers the majority who typed in pariies "JP-ONLY" were actually players who desired for everyone to type in Japanese. I played with many JP-ONLY parties in PSU-JP and they were ok with me. Long conversations....

    I get more who are curious, but then you deal with the two groups that are the greatest problems for both populations (Japanese and non-Japanese) which are ALPHA personalities who seem to throw their two cents away from the game. I never get in these games players telling me "Oh you're a foreigner, don't play our games." Instead I see them trolling in forumboards or other sites their feelings. I see the very same thing when Americans get mad at people for not typing everything in English in a foreign server.

    I did that in a European server playing shooter games, I would come in with a Japanese friend living in the states, along with a polish friend. We would type in Japanese. Polish friend would type in Japanese, with a translation system to go from Polish to English to Japanese (English as a crossover language) outside of phrases she knew. We would play in EU servers and the response from people was always "Speak (insert my national language here) or die" along with ban threats and other BS.

    If there were bans occuring left and right, I am sure there would be sites everywhere that would have screenshots of the ban-message and code associated with it as evidence. Of course that wouldn't do well for the Japanese. A lot of games exist that have region-wide IP blocks, but I don't know of many games that start with allowing all players to join a server, then a week or month later implmenting Region Bans, specially in games with in-app purchases.

    Trust me. Being able to speak Japanese still gives me the entire "Baka Gaijin" treatment at times by some Japanese who act like only they exist on the face of the planet, but for the majority of the Japanese people I've spoken to in both, English and Japanese I have actually gotten far these days.

    My advice is to simply play in your groups, have your fun in the groups. Rather than stay out each other's way, simply be polite. That actually helps anywhere. Patience is another thing. Americans know what tense and form a sentence is at the beginning. Japanese have to wait until the end of their sentence to get their tense and form, so yes....WAIT FOR THEM TO FINISH THEIR SENTENCES before inserting your two cents.

    politeness goes a long way...

    I came from a family and way of life growing up where at any table I sat at, even at my own parents table, in my own house, I always asked permission before I sat at the table or before being excused after a meal.

    So yeah, slow down a bit...don't believe everything you hear or read....Pick up some friends and lend a hand...It goes very far. ^_^
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    Oh no... Keilyn's back.
    I don't need a signature pic, I would end up changing it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keilyn View Post
    I know as a matter of conscience that SEGA itself isn't going around banning everything and everyone. If I wanted to Ban foreigners, I would simply IP Block by creating DENY *.* filter, and then add in ALLOW (first IP number).* into a large list. This is the common way one bans, by entire ISPs (using first and second numbers).

    The second way, more effective to ban is the method that I use in my servers, which is to allow any connection to reach the server, then do a traceroute back to the connection source and if it identifies with any area outside the region specified, instant ban. In this way one can program strings and numbers like National ID numbers and countryNames against a small database to be more effective.

    As far as Ive seen, Japanese rather get the most bang for their offers by forcing foreigners into the most expensive route for anything. However, when I see Japanese in servers the majority who typed in pariies "JP-ONLY" were actually players who desired for everyone to type in Japanese. I played with many JP-ONLY parties in PSU-JP and they were ok with me. Long conversations....

    I get more who are curious, but then you deal with the two groups that are the greatest problems for both populations (Japanese and non-Japanese) which are ALPHA personalities who seem to throw their two cents away from the game. I never get in these games players telling me "Oh you're a foreigner, don't play our games." Instead I see them trolling in forumboards or other sites their feelings. I see the very same thing when Americans get mad at people for not typing everything in English in a foreign server.

    I did that in a European server playing shooter games, I would come in with a Japanese friend living in the states, along with a polish friend. We would type in Japanese. Polish friend would type in Japanese, with a translation system to go from Polish to English to Japanese (English as a crossover language) outside of phrases she knew. We would play in EU servers and the response from people was always "Speak (insert my national language here) or die" along with ban threats and other BS.

    If there were bans occuring left and right, I am sure there would be sites everywhere that would have screenshots of the ban-message and code associated with it as evidence. Of course that wouldn't do well for the Japanese. A lot of games exist that have region-wide IP blocks, but I don't know of many games that start with allowing all players to join a server, then a week or month later implmenting Region Bans, specially in games with in-app purchases.

    Trust me. Being able to speak Japanese still gives me the entire "Baka Gaijin" treatment at times by some Japanese who act like only they exist on the face of the planet, but for the majority of the Japanese people I've spoken to in both, English and Japanese I have actually gotten far these days.

    My advice is to simply play in your groups, have your fun in the groups. Rather than stay out each other's way, simply be polite. That actually helps anywhere. Patience is another thing. Americans know what tense and form a sentence is at the beginning. Japanese have to wait until the end of their sentence to get their tense and form, so yes....WAIT FOR THEM TO FINISH THEIR SENTENCES before inserting your two cents.

    politeness goes a long way...

    I came from a family and way of life growing up where at any table I sat at, even at my own parents table, in my own house, I always asked permission before I sat at the table or before being excused after a meal.

    So yeah, slow down a bit...don't believe everything you hear or read....Pick up some friends and lend a hand...It goes very far. ^_^
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    That is so weird. Ive never had any japanese call me a gaijin or bakagaijin ever.
    In fact they always say Im funny and would like to visit me sometime. Could it be the stuff you say?
    To be honest, I think just being polite isnt enough, but the humility of oneself when speaking to another person in their own "territory" must be observed...

    1. Even if you can understand them perfectly all the time, dont be a smartass. Ever.
    2. Always be ready to say silly anime phrases and "fumble" once in a while. Nobody likes a dull Mr Perfect on their team.
    3. Not telling you to be pretentious but being a "western douchey" with attitude doesnt help in the east. Be that one willing to run the extra mile to turn on the switch or shout out the Emergency locations. People like these are always welcome in all games.

    Just my 2 yen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FOnewearl-Lina View Post
    And you call these people your friends...

    Are they from Nice Korea or Naughty Korea?
    Haha! Naughty or nice. That's a good one.
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