Gunner Stuff Discussion ™

[Selphea]

Ah if the Wiki says 16% then it's probably 16%. Little bit disappointing I guess, but still has potential to beat Aust at 100%

[Selphea]

Hmm random philosophical question:

As a TMG Gu/X with full Chain Trigger and Chain F Bonus in a boss EQ like PD, would it make more sense to YOLO Chain on the easily chainable breakable so the boss staggers faster, but possibly have Chain down when it actually staggers (better support) or save Chain for the staggers (better solo DPS)?

The former seems to be getting shorter run times for me, but not sure if that's because the rest of the party is good.

[Sp-24]

I do that at PD if the MPA I'm in is very good, but if we aren't shooting for the first place, I'd rather top the DPS chart. This choice is a lot harder when there's an obvious Zanverse user around.

And yes, your chain is basically guaranteed to be down when it's time to pound the core if you do that.

[final_attack]

Hmm random philosophical question:

As a TMG Gu/X with full Chain Trigger and Chain F Bonus in a boss EQ like PD, would it make more sense to YOLO Chain on the easily chainable breakable so the boss staggers faster, but possibly have Chain down when it actually staggers (better support) or save Chain for the staggers (better solo DPS)?

The former seems to be getting shorter run times for me, but not sure if that's because the rest of the party is good.

I'd go for better DPS ..... since it might be a waste to lose potential Chain damage ...... though helping with 1st / 2nd break imo worth it.
Still, it should be depends on what boss / personal damage though.

Spoiler!

For PD ....
I usually activate Chain just before 3-2-1 timer start. You'll get around 8 seconds to land 1st hit before it vanish, once you can move.
1st Breakable part should be available within that time, so, you'll help with 1st breakable using Chain ...... normal offense for other 2 ....... start Chain again once staggered. Probably I should try activating Chain once 2nd part broke, if the mpa's strong.
Which still maintain the most of my damage in battle.

Same with Magatsu, I think.
Activate Chain just before 3-2-1 timer start (or get out of teleporter - 3-2-1 countdown start - activate Chain - roll inside teleporter), Start Chaining on 2nd knee, maintain the pace a bit though (don't go too fast building Chain). Once 1 Magatsu's knee is broken, WB usually lands for the other, you can finish that .... or just Finish it if they took too long
Once broken, probably you can activate Chain again ...... if the mpa is strong, I'd activate it right away. Or wait a bit then activate. So I can start Chain on twice broken's belly.

For Double ....
Activate Chain just before 3-2-1 countdown start ........ destroy leg core ...... if I activate Chain again, I'd use it on leg o-o

[Seijass]

Hmm random philosophical question:

As a TMG Gu/X with full Chain Trigger and Chain F Bonus in a boss EQ like PD, would it make more sense to YOLO Chain on the easily chainable breakable so the boss staggers faster, but possibly have Chain down when it actually staggers (better support) or save Chain for the staggers (better solo DPS)?

The former seems to be getting shorter run times for me, but not sure if that's because the rest of the party is good.

I normally put CT on Profound Darkness' (not Double, but PD itself) very first breakable. With enough Chain count, you can have CT up again when PD's weakpoint is opening. However this is usually a 1-time-chance for the very 1st stagger only, and later openings are more varied in terms of timing, I'd rather not risk CT down at the wrong time to make the most out of my damage.

[Etherwolf]

Does Gunner have any damage potential outside of Chain Trigger?

[Seijass]

Well tbh everything Gunner has to offer IS damage potential. Gunner tree alone doesn't have any meaningful survivability skill, even.

With Ranger sub, for example. Outside of WB+CT, all damage multiplying skills combined, you got Zero Range Advance, Zero Range Critical, TMG Mastery, Weak Hit Advance, Standing Snipe, Hightime, Perfect Keeper... You can proc all those simultaneously. If that's not damage potential then I don't know what is.

Anyway, question.



What is this supposed to mean? The default Infinite Fire obviously does this, doesn't it?

[Triste]

Well tbh everything Gunner has to offer IS damage potential. Gunner tree alone doesn't have any meaningful survivability skill, even.

With Ranger sub, for example. Outside of WB+CT, all damage multiplying skills combined, you got Zero Range Advance, Zero Range Critical, TMG Mastery, Weak Hit Advance, Standing Snipe, Hightime, Perfect Keeper... You can proc all those simultaneously. If that's not damage potential then I don't know what is.

Anyway, question.



What is this supposed to mean? The default Infinite Fire obviously does this, doesn't it?

Infinity Fire's regular version allows you to move and shoot until you enter a stance for the final 4 shots, which requires you to stand still. Type Zero sounds like it will force the gunner to sacrifice mobility in exchange for better damage.

[final_attack]

Anyway, question.



What is this supposed to mean? The default Infinite Fire obviously does this, doesn't it?

Infinity Fire's regular version allows you to move and shoot until you enter a stance for the final 4 shots, which requires you to stand still. Type Zero sounds like it will force the gunner to sacrifice mobility in exchange for better damage.

Well, seems like it'll be 70% damage up, if the power notation behave the same way as current one ......

InfinityFire-Type0 seems to be at +70% PowerUp O_O

1526 → 2594
with 35 PP. I wonder if it'll have another PP reduction too ......

[Seijass]

Yeah, I've read the 70% power up.

If that's the case, then it looks like Infinity Fire has just found its way into my palettes, since the default one goes against Standing Snipe for GuRa.