Speculation on Grinding 11*+ Weapons

[DoubleCannon]

The base meseta cost of grinding a weapon is around 13k
This weapon requires three grinders to attempt a grind

Cost is 13500 per grind and uses 4 grinders not 3

[ShadowDragon28]

I wish they would add Digrinders that could grind 7 star to 9 star Weapons to +20, so people can make the weaker 7~9 * weapons alot stronger.
(Other than only adding s-attk via Power I~III, or if super lucky and by small miracle, somehow affixing with Power IV.)

[Macman]

This is all fine and dandy, but all this math is useless to 99.999% of the playerbase.
11* weapons are solely for the purpose of occasionally seeing someone else holding in the lobby and making you feel bad about yourself. 12* may as well not even exist, lol.

Re: skip-to-+7 item
I never bothered with the recycle shop for things like that. Does any AC scratch item count or is it clothes/parts only?

[Exiled_Gundam]

This is all fine and dandy, but all this math is useless to 99.999% of the playerbase.
11* weapons are solely for the purpose of occasionally seeing someone else holding in the lobby and making you feel bad about yourself. 12* may as well not even exist, lol.

Re: skip-to-+7 item
I never bothered with the recycle shop for things like that. Does any AC scratch item count or is it clothes/parts only?

yeap any AC scratch item. The reason many suggested clothes/parts was because among AC scratch items, those are the cheapest.

+7 skip is only worth it if you are grinding 11s and 12s, since the chance to fail grinding with those weapon is high, add on also the higher number of grinders required, and meseta cost for each grind. For 10s I usually can get it to +8 under 500k meseta, so +7 skip is not worth it there

[EvilMag]

This is all fine and dandy, but all this math is useless to 99.999% of the playerbase.
11* weapons are solely for the purpose of occasionally seeing someone else holding in the lobby and making you feel bad about yourself. 12* may as well not even exist, lol.

Re: skip-to-+7 item
I never bothered with the recycle shop for things like that. Does any AC scratch item count or is it clothes/parts only?

Any.

Also, I'm sure once 11*s become the norm, AC outfits are gonna go up in price because of that skip +7 item in the recycle shop.

[jooozek]

i still can't wrap it around my head as to why an item worth 40$ of AC scratch items doesn't even lock out the item grind going below +7

[Walkure]

I would say it's cheaper than trying to +7 thru normal method if you include the grind protect, since you will not be sure how many attempt to +7 will end up in failure.

If 1.6m is cheaper than the average to get to +7, then by all means it's worth using. It'd be interesting that +7 for 11* and 12* weapons would be more costly than getting to +10 on a 10*. For comparison, a 10* weapon getting to +7 takes an average of 200k. Jumping up nearly an order of magnitude is pretty surprising!

If it's pretty close, then it might as well be worth going to +7 just for convenience alone.

Another edit. Decided to look at the 10* weapon rates, and use the general patterns to craft a path from 0 -> 7 based on any patterns I can infer from that.

10* table:

Some important patterns to note:

1. When a grind fails, the least punishing penalty is the most common result
2. The minimum penalty is at most two risk away from the greatest penalty
3. When there's a new jump in risk, it's a very low chance to start out with.

With that in mind, I tried making a hypothetical set of rates for an 11* weapon, following the pattern with the above and the vague descriptions listed ingame.

Hypothetical numbers:

Spoiler!

Assumed rates:


Which gives:

Now, that's probably optimistic guessing of rates, for an 11* weapon, 13.5k base cost, and 4 grinders, and it gave ~1.26m for a total cost to get to +7.

So, at the least, there's a possibility of being able to save money on average, with an 11*. Doesn't look like a 12* will be able to beat a +7 ticket, since the damn thing goes to "Danger" at friggin +2.

Cost is 13500 per grind and uses 4 grinders not 3

Adds ~2k to the attempt cost of each of those categories, which doesn't change all that much, all things considered. I'll update in a bit after this falz.

Edit: It is done!

This is all fine and dandy, but all this math is useless to 99.999% of the playerbase.
11* weapons are solely for the purpose of occasionally seeing someone else holding in the lobby and making you feel bad about yourself. 12* may as well not even exist, lol.

That's what the math for 10* weapons is for! It's a lot more complete than this, as there are pretty good approximations for rates now.

Also, I'm sure once 11*s become the norm, AC outfits are gonna go up in price because of that skip +7 item in the recycle shop.

It'll have a lot more popularity than it does now, for sure.

i still can't wrap it around my head as to why an item worth 40$ of AC scratch items doesn't even lock out the item grind going below +7

That'd be too convenient, of course!