PSO2es Discussion Thread

[Ryuuguu]

oh for that purpose its okay then (I didn't exactly check the math). I was mostly thinking about enemy defenses and PA power/DPS values for final dmg calcs.

[Atmius]

Whatever your multiplier * 1.0 for 6* PA (1x dmg (No change))
Whatever your multiplier * 2.0 for 11* PA (2x dmg )

Using those as assumed values combined with the factual values I have from ER8+/10+/EX+ for power variance between levels, I get the following:
FF6+ would be about ER10+ tier
FF8 would be about ~13% stronger than EREX+
FF10+ ~43.5% stronger than EREX+
FFEX+ ~67.5% stronger than EREX+

These are based on PA damage, and don't take PA execution time into account, which would put FF ahead even further.

[Ryuuguu]

http://pso2esnikki.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-31.html
8*: 1.35
10*: 1.7
11*:2.0
6*:1.0

according to this blog. May not be entirely accurate?

[Ryuuguu]

Do any PAs get close to the DPS facet does?

[Sizustar]

Rate of the chips
http://pso2.jp/es/players/catalog/lineup/



Get a damage boost with just attack, and enemy get very large additional damage(Reads like chase damage from two other chip with small)
Or it could be like spread needle?
http://pso2es.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3...83%AD%E3%83%97
http://pso2es.swiki.jp/index.php?%E8...95%A3%E7%8E%8B


For long period, get a large damage boost, and additional damage boost if the weapon is wind element(So probabely like the Santa Aika<Light element>)


Activated by dodge/slide action, damage increased greatly, and chance to dodge enemy attack<So similiar to if enemy have wind element on them)


When attacking, damage boost and HP recovery for set time


For set time, damage is increased, damage is further increased if the map is a desert or tunnel map(New damage type?)


When attacking, for long period of time, PA damage is increased largly, and normal attack speed and movement speed is increased


When attacking enemy with status ailment, damage is increased greatly, and HP will recover(So a stronger Saga chip?)

[Lyrise]

Rate of the chips
http://pso2.jp/es/players/catalog/lineup/



Get a damage boost with just attack, and enemy get very large additional damage(Reads like chase damage from two other chip with small)
Or it could be like spread needle?
http://pso2es.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3...83%AD%E3%83%97
http://pso2es.swiki.jp/index.php?%E8...95%A3%E7%8E%8B

Got to use one in my FL. It's more like, an unrestricted Gene+More chip but the attack boost is unrestricted, and the extra attack is kinda weak (edit: the extra attack is fairly strong), which is fine since it is timer based unconditional, on top of an attack booster that has one of the easiest activation conditions possible (edit: though that boost is somewhat on the low side). (130% attack boost, +40-50% extra attack on JA activated timer, whereas GeneMore is +70% extra but attack boost is 23%/26%x number of unique elements on hand, max of 138/156%). Currently what the community has worked out is that if you are using 3 or more elements, GeneMore will be a better chip, and if less, Fiora is better. Update: This is basically a reverse Spread Needle with higher extra attack but lower attack boost.

Admittedly, I tried to do a bit of whaling for that Frey Fiora weaponoid with 60 medals and 8000 AC. Didn't get one, but to put things into perspective, I pulled 7 Rina (New Year) chips, 2 Itsuki, 1 Koa, and none of the others.

[Serinah]

It's more like, an unrestricted Gene+More chip but the attack boost is unrestricted, and the extra attack is kinda weak, which is fine since it is timer based unconditional, on top of an attack booster that has one of the easiest . (130% attack boost, +40-50% extra attack).

Swiki states that it's 135% chase and 40% E-frame though. Although that may be incorrect since the values are kind of weird (SP slot only gains 5% E-frame boost, and no boost to chase damage). Can you confirm which it is?



To comment on some of the other chips:

†Koa† & Musashi - Not really too happy to see another set of mediocre E-frame chips, but I guess they do have their uses for people who don't have better alternatives.

Lyrica - Interesting to see a (possibly?) new chip type this quickly, but I'm not sure I dig the conditions (although I guess it's not that different from the Slayer chips). I don't really like the trend of sticking small non-E-frame effects onto E-frame chips though.

Chuunibyou Itsuki - Another A-frame Itsuki chip, but with a non-detrimental secondary effect. I hope this doesn't mean that the damage boost takes too much of a hit compared to the other one.

RINA - Quna [Summer Vacation] but with less cost. I wish they would release some more chips that can inflict status effect but also give a damage boost (even without it being C-frame damage), just so we can make use of these chips without having to sacrifice a chip slot to a mediocre chip. At this point I feel like this chip will only be useful for tech users.

[Lyrise]

Swiki states that it's 135% chase and 40% E-frame though. Although that may be incorrect since the values are kind of weird (SP slot only gains 5% E-frame boost, and no boost to chase damage). Can you confirm which it is?

I had another go at it using a blank palette instead of comparing it with a similar chip, you're correct, and I got the values flipped. It's basically a reverse Spread Needle.

As for Rina-New Year... This is probably the chip we've all wanted, something that could come close to Hollow Gimlet but without requiring a wind-stacked handful of chips. (Since Hollow Gimlet's power is based on number of Wind chips equipped and Wind element count itself) It takes 5 Wind chips equipped for Hollow Gimlet to slightly beat Rina NY in terms of attack boost, but at least with those 5 chips you're almost always guaranteed your +53%/+78% Extra attack as opposed to Rina's 25% to E-type boost... but then you could easily slot in an Avenger chip with Rina and make up for that shortfall.

[Dark Emerald EXE]

Is Sazan EX worth eatting using?

[BlakLanner]

If you are a tech user, yes. I only have to 10* (and wish I had the EX) version and it has been very good to me. Mirage is easy to land so you can use Saga/Yami without fear. I slot it with a PWand and spam it to hell and back as if I was wielding an Elysion back in the old days on the PC. On the last few EQs, I have been good for 30-40m on average.