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  1. #311

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvertedWyvern View Post
    So does that mean use one point instead of impact slider? How's the new sneak shot?
    Sneak shooter has so-so speed now, you can likely spam it now on slow/average speed enemies. For fast mobs, may be if you can find an open.

  2. #312

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Falco View Post
    seems like one point hits pretty hard now

    shifta drink was my only buff ideal larc +40 60 light 135 atk saiki set 120 atk each unit
    question pls !

    how do you achieve this dmg?

    I tried with my Ra/Br, ideal larc +20 , 60 element
    r-atk 2656, shift drink = 2843
    weak bullet, weak dmg passive, standing snipe, weak stance, sharpshooter all proc-ed
    yet I could only do 16k/hit @ lv17 one point.

    +40 and +20 only has 8% difference in dmg , and I assume you have 100 more atk than me?
    the difference in dmg output was huge though

  3. #313

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    One Point isn't a charged PA so Weak S Charge won't kick in. /Br is at a disadvantage. There was also Team tree.

    2843 with all buffs sounds a little low though.

  4. #314

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selphea View Post
    One Point isn't a charged PA so Weak S Charge won't kick in. /Br is at a disadvantage. There was also Team tree.

    2843 with all buffs sounds a little low though.
    I dont have Weak S charge XD, what i mentioned was the simple stance

    i only had 1 buff that was the shifta ....vending machine?
    there was no (shifta) buff, as in item? drink? and i'm not in a team either

    but because the poster said he only had a shifta drink as buff so i tried it out with shifta drink only

  5. #315

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmanoMai View Post
    I dont have Weak S charge XD, what i mentioned was the simple stance

    i only had 1 buff that was the shifta ....vending machine?
    there was no (shifta) buff, as in item? drink? and i'm not in a team either

    but because the poster said he only had a shifta drink as buff so i tried it out with shifta drink only
    Ah yea that one was Shifta Drink only, I was thinking of the one in the other thread where it hit for 28k with Shifta Drink + items + Friend Partner

  6. #316

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selphea View Post
    Ah yea that one was Shifta Drink only, I was thinking of the one in the other thread where it hit for 28k with Shifta Drink + items + Friend Partner
    actually i messed up in that post and didnt have strike like i thought i did and i never use r atk boosting cake items so yea.

    and i doubt the difference between +20 and +40 is 16k - 22k so im not sure why. i doubt the difference between rabr and rahu is that big either but that might be the case?

    (and yes the very 1st pic i posted was shifta drink ex only)

  7. #317

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    Buncha small things adding up, or rather multiplying.

    The difference is ~32%, assuming high 16k vs low 22k.

    1.32 x (1.485 / 1.61) = 21.8% difference after accounting for Stance
    1.268 x (1.1 / 1.18) = 13.4% difference after accounting for Pot
    1.134 x (2843 / 2943) = 9.6% difference after accounting for ATK, assuming same race.

    And then there could be small things like Power Bullet which would knock off another 4% or so, possible race difference for another 1%-ish, rounding/approximation errors since I don't know the exact difference etc.

  8. #318

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selphea View Post
    Buncha small things adding up, or rather multiplying.

    The difference is ~32%, assuming high 16k vs low 22k.

    1.32 x (1.485 / 1.61) = 21.8% difference after accounting for Stance
    1.268 x (1.1 / 1.1 = 13.4% difference after accounting for Pot
    1.134 x (2843 / 2943) = 9.6% difference after accounting for ATK, assuming same race.

    And then there could be small things like Power Bullet which would knock off another 4% or so, possible race difference for another 1%-ish, rounding/approximation errors since I don't know the exact difference etc.
    thanks for the calc
    I understood the last two but

    what's the reason for the difference in stance?
    when i counted weakstance+weak stance boost = x1.45
    fury stance + fury boost (1+2) + JA bonus (1+2) = x1.4 (for ranged damage) and x1.5 (for strike damage)
    so i thought weakstance would give more, not less.
    Last edited by AmanoMai; Oct 17, 2015 at 09:42 AM.

  9. #319

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmanoMai View Post
    thanks for the calc
    I understood the last two but

    what's the reason for the difference in stance?
    when i counted weakstance+weak stance boost = x1.45
    fury stance + fury boost (1+2) + JA bonus (1+2) = x1.4 (for ranged damage) and x1.5 (for strike damage)
    so i thought weakstance would give more, not less.

    (above was the stance and passive i have for my jobs, and Ra/Br actually did 16k while Ra/Hu did 13k)
    They're multiplicative. Also, you missed out Fury Combo. Did you take that skill?

  10. #320

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selphea View Post
    They're multiplicative. Also, you missed out Fury Combo. Did you take that skill?
    oh, thanks alot
    so it was multiplicative, it makes sense now.

    I didn't take fury combo

    but I reset my skill tree and took it just now

    I also used shifta item to make up for the stats difference, was able to do 19k

    question though:

    does weapon title works for 13* as well?

    does fury combo works on the very first JA? for example normal atk -> JA into PA
    or does it only works on the next consecutive JA

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