Overall best Ideal weapons?

[TaigaUC]

Hmm. Thanks.
I have enough miles to get a 60 element Ideal weapon right now.
Edit: Looking at the JP swiki comments, people have gotten 500k+ BHS on Magatsu using Ideal. My best is probably ~340k with God Hand.

I do wonder if the 12 stars will get a decent hidden potential though.

[Flaoc]

and how much does ideal have over min power ares cant say ill swap ares to ideal but curious on how much im losing using ares (knuckle)

[LonelyGaruga]

Wow I...no.

Maths:

Spoiler!

Damage Formula =

Physical Damage = (Player S-ATK - Enemy S-DEF) * Hitzone
Elemental Damage = Weapon Attack Power * Element * Enemy Element Hitzone
(Physical Damage + Elemental Damage) / 5 * 1.05 * Multipliers

Example build

I added the missing 10 S-ATK from mag for the math

Assuming all things equal in the multiplier section barring weapon potential, Limit Break active (so all S-ATK boosts pertaining to LB are active), 90 S-ATK affixes, Shifta Drink active, 315 for enemy S-DEF, and 1.0 for both hitzones,

S-ATK: 1941

Ares: (3387 - 315) * 1 = 3072
1446 * 0.6 * 1 = 867
(3072 + 867) / 5 * 1.05 * 1.1 = 909

Ideal: (3279 - 315) * 1 = 2964
1338 * 0.6 * 1 = 802
(2964 + 802) / 5 * 1.05 * 1.18 = 933

About a 2.6% advantage.

Ideal Nest has a 2.6% advantage over Ares Knuckles in this context.

EDIT: Derped, misread min PB as max PB. Min is 6.6%, half charge is 3.6%.

[SlN]

deal is usually around 2-3 % stronger in most cases.

[Flaoc]

Wow I...no.

Maths:

Spoiler!

Damage Formula =

Physical Damage = (Player S-ATK - Enemy S-DEF) * Hitzone
Elemental Damage = Weapon Attack Power * Element * Enemy Element Hitzone
(Physical Damage + Elemental Damage) / 5 * 1.05 * Multipliers

Example build

I added the missing 10 S-ATK from mag for the math

Assuming all things equal in the multiplier section barring weapon potential, Limit Break active (so all S-ATK boosts pertaining to LB are active), 90 S-ATK affixes, Shifta Drink active, 315 for enemy S-DEF, and 1.0 for both hitzones,

S-ATK: 1941

Ares: (3387 - 315) * 1 = 3072
1446 * 0.6 * 1 = 867
(3072 + 867) / 5 * 1.05 * 1.1 = 909

Ideal: (3279 - 315) * 1 = 2964
1338 * 0.6 * 1 = 802
(2964 + 802) / 5 * 1.05 * 1.18 = 933

About a 2.6% advantage.

Ideal Nest has a 2.6% advantage over Ares Knuckles in this context.

so about 6.6 over min power thx

[TaigaUC]

JP friend is recommending that new 13 star skull knuckles from kuronia.
Has anyone been talking about those new 13 stars? Are they a pain up the ass to get?

[SlN]

JP friend is recommending that new 13 star skull knuckles from kuronia.
Has anyone been talking about those new 13 stars? Are they a pain up the ass to get?

Skull knuckle is good for heartless impact dashing, i guess it could be pretty decent for BHS spam because of the high pp cost.

[Ryuuguu]

Yeah.

Actually I guess it should just be said, Gal weapons in general are about Ideal's strength as long as matching range. Mostly the 11-12% ones, 10% is just barely better than max PB Ares (just a little ATK).

Don't forget about the crit bonus from galyrow. At 35% crit its going to be 1-2% more dmg or something.

[TaigaUC]

Well, I got Ideal knuckles.
Haven't finished grinding them yet, but they already feel like they flatten everything.