Episode 5 Story Discussion

[TehCubey]

You can always play buster quest to bring back those memories.

[Meteor Weapon]

Ep4 was garbage beyond belief. I hated the maincast of Ep4 (save Enga, Xiera and Aratron)

[TehCubey]

Ep4 was garbage beyond belief. Fight us.

If I fought people for having wrong opinions on the internet, I'd do nothing else all day.

[Zephyrion]

I didn't dislike EP4 that much here. It mostly suffered from pacing issues and from pretty much being so out there it was pretty hard to get on board. ironically, after rewatching some scenes, I found them much better than I initially thought because I wasn't seeing them through the "disappointment this wasn't an actual continuation from EP3 events" lens

EP5 was a wild ride. It honestly contained some of the best and worst things. It had some very boring arcs like Verun and Lutz ones, but also very good ones (Epic one comes to mind, great comic relief, and Margareta is hands down my favourite character now). Es Ars was okay I guess , and the final chapter exceeded my expectations

Those are only my opinions though.

[Meteor Weapon]

I didn't dislike EP4 that much here. It mostly suffered from pacing issues and from pretty much being so out there it was pretty hard to get on board. ironically, after rewatching some scenes, I found them much better than I initially thought because I wasn't seeing them through the "disappointment this wasn't an actual continuation from EP3 events" lens

EP5 was a wild ride. It honestly contained some of the best and worst things. It had some very boring arcs like Verun and Lutz ones, but also very good ones (Epic one comes to mind, great comic relief, and Margareta is hands down my favourite character now). Es Ars was okay I guess , and the final chapter exceeded my expectations

Those are only my opinions though.

My gripe with EP4 was that not because it had anything to do with EP3, like you said it was the pacing and plus for me the characters and setting is what ruined it. The concept is there but those things kinda ruined it. Deus Ex Zephyros feels really disconnected to the story because he just came out of nowhere for the sake of being the final boss. I never really understand what his supposed nature to begin, a God or just a Phantom.

EP5 I can honestly say the early chapters was a let down and it only started to pick up on Luther's chapter. Character wise the only character I didnt like was Alisa because she was just...there for nostalgia's sake and her voice sucks. Remove her and the Dragon and nothing really changes storywise lol.

[Great Pan]

Shiva is just another "BOW DOWN TO YER GAWD, YOU MONGRELS." type, we just have to kill her and voila, ARKS IS JUSTICE ABOVE IT ALL.

[Shinamori]

Wait. Time out. Aren't we persona?

[RefrainDP]

Wait. Time out. Aren't we persona?

From what I can get. Our alternate timeline version of PC WAS the original Dark Falz Persona. At some point however, a new DF Persona was born inside PD/Omega. This new Persona is Elmir.
We'll have to wait for a translation for more detailed info though.

[Dark Mits]

If I fought people for having wrong opinions on the internet, I'd do nothing else all day.

To be honest, an opinion cannot be wrong except for stuff that are either defined or proved with objective facts. For example the opinion "1+1=5" is wrong (there is a hard definition that 1+1=2), the opinion that "Earth is flat and the center of the universe on top a tortoise" is wrong (hard facts exist to counter this), but the opinion that "blue color is better than red" can be neither wrong nor right (it is simply a preference matter). The same applies for EP4. As another forumer stated, it's us the gaijin that hate EP4 mostly, and I agree with that sentiment, because from my point of view it was (i) purely fan service, (ii) introduced Xiera which acts like a 10yo as the replacement of Melitta/Brigitta/etc. which all had some professionalism and acted as proper remote assistants, (iii) further reduced exploration elements in favor of quick "get in get out" gameplay.

Deus Ex Zephyros feels really disconnected to the story because he just came out of nowhere for the sake of being the final boss. I never really understand what his supposed nature to begin, a God or just a Phantom.

It's a powerful Phantom with god complex who simply uses the "Deus" name.

[Altrius Véurr]

It's a powerful Phantom with god complex who simply uses the "Deus" name.

To be precise, Deus is what Ardem Sacred (also known as Adam) identifies as a god. Ether is Photons keyed towards imagination and communication, Deus is essentially Ardem's image of the Earth God. It is a Phantom certainly, one created in the image of the 'God' that Ardem believes wholeheartedly in and wish to gain salvation from.

Spoiler!

As for the Four Strongest ARKS vs Shiva and her attendants, I am rather certain that it is not impossible for PC, Matoi, Regius and Maria to take Shiva down. Note Lisa, who is able to get pass Shiva's barrier by finding the weak point and land a hit on her. It goes to say that Shiva and her attendants are not invulnerable, and can be harmed as long as PC is able to find the exact weak point in their shields and/or attack patterns. Remember one thing, PC had just took on hundreds of Demons and Darkers to get to Harriet, took on Elmir in his Falz form, then fought him again in his True Dark Falz form, followed by Dark Blast'ing him (four times), and with the help of Persona (who somehow managed to go into PC) who snarks at them to motivate them, took Elga Masquerade down.

Then they have to deal with Shiva. And then we have Matoi, who spent had been singlehandedly holding the portal in place (usually done by two people) for however long it took for the battle to complete, then we have Maria and Regius, who fought on the frontlines with Alma to prevent the Darkers from escaping the barriers she set to prevent Elmir from gaining access to the photons outside of Omega...

To be honest, I am not surprised that Shiva and her attendants was able to take them on. I will be more surprised if PC can defeat them after everything that they have been through.

I will also not be surprised about Regius/Maria/Lisa possible inclusion to the Guardian Team. No way Regius and Maria will not be beside Alma, and it was mentioned beforehand that they have plans to retire and pass on their duties to Zeno/Sara (wonder who will be their deputy if that happens, Zeno's is probably gonna be Echo, and Sara...there's Afin, Eucrita, Aki, Light etc. to choose from). And I think everyone in the ARKS and outside knew enough about Lisa to know that she fits PC and Matoi's personality that is 'do-whatever-they-want'.