Cheating sucks

[Nightscan]

PSO is a good game and with a good game u should not cheat right?

[VioletSkye]

wow, how original. another of these stupid flame threads. If only I had a nickel for every one of these tired posts

[Mr_Special]

*gets out the firehose*

eh?

I don't see any flames here...

its really subjective whether or not PSO is a good game and whether or not you should cheat in a good game.



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[VioletSkye]

On 2004-04-03 12:46, Mr_Special wrote:
*gets out the firehose*

eh?

I don't see any flames here...

its really subjective whether or not PSO is a good game and whether or not you should cheat in a good game.



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The problem with these stupid threads is that they lend themselves very well to flaming which is why there is a STICKY about it. I will quote Runelateralus directly:

"Ok, as long as I modded here, there have always been heavy in arguing. Everytime I stepped in a topic to ask people to tone it down, the flaming does not stop and the lock is instituted.

However, I also noticed that a lot of topics do nothing more except add fuel to the fire. From this point on, there will no more "What is up with Legits?," "Cheaters suck," and other such types of threads containing such flamebaiting! If you make one, it will get locked if it is nothing but just flamebaiting.

This is a place to discuss cheats and how you feel how they effect the game, not to flame and insult the people who play the game a certain way."

Ergo, whether or not the topic is subjective, it still has ALWAYS led to flaming in the past which is why these posts are normally a waste of time. Capisce?

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[Mr_Special]

On 2004-04-03 12:59, VioletSkye wrote:
I will quote Runelateralus directly:

"Ok, as long as I modded here, there have always been heavy in arguing. Everytime I stepped in a topic to ask people to tone it down, the flaming does not stop and the lock is instituted.

However, I also noticed that a lot of topics do nothing more except add fuel to the fire. From this point on, there will no more "What is up with Legits?," "Cheaters suck," and other such types of threads containing such flamebaiting! If you make one, it will get locked if it is nothing but just flamebaiting.

This is a place to discuss cheats and how you feel how they effect the game, not to flame and insult the people who play the game a certain way."

Ergo, whether or not the topic is subjective, it still has ALWAYS led to flaming in the past which is why these posts are normally a waste of time. Capisce?

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I bolded the part of the quote that applies best to this topic.

now back on topic:

To rephrase the question: Should you cheat in a game that is good? (assuming that PSO is a good game)

my opinion:
it would make more sense to cheat in a game that is good, after all, why would you cheat in a game that is not good? the only reason would be to make the bad game more fun.

the same could apply to a good game: if the game is too challenging, or like in PSO takes up too much time to get what you want.

of course, PSO is an Online game, so if you're going to cheat, at least try not to ruin others fun.

[VioletSkye]

Everything you just said has been said a kagillion times before lol. The point I'm making that you fail to understand is that topics like this are pointless and old hat. With a title like "Cheating Sucks", it is easy to see (at least for me having been around a bit longer) that it has a tendency to spur heated emotions.

You highlighted the WRONG thing in my quote. The part that actually applies is this:

"What is up with Legits?," "Cheaters suck," and other such types of threads containing such flamebaiting

Personally I don't care how someone else plays as long as they are respectful of others. But again that entire ideology and subsequent discussion has been done to death already. Yes, many of us believe in repsecting other players. Many of us believe in playing the way we want to play. Many of us have said this over and over and over and over and over along with every reason why someone would want to cheat or would not want to cheat.

Saying that cheating sucks and then not following it up with any examples to discuss is not a discussion, its an accusatory phrase that is bound to get members wound up yet again.

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[Mr_Special]

I agree, the title is completely inaccurate.

heh I'm not entirely sure what "Flamebaiting" consists of... but at least this is called "Cheating Sucks" and not "Cheaters Suck" so at least it's not attacking a person. :/

but if the cheating issue were done to death, then there really isn't a point to the cheater's section, now is there?

but I don't think it is done to death, as long as there are people, there are opinions and opinions change and people join and leave. It's called Discussion. and that's why this is a Community.

[VioletSkye]

On 2004-04-03 13:50, Mr_Special wrote:
I agree, the title is completely inaccurate.

heh I'm not entirely sure what "Flamebaiting" consists of... but at least this is called "Cheating Sucks" and not "Cheaters Suck" so at least it's not attacking a person. :/

By saying that "cheating sucks" it follows suit that the people doing the cheating suck then as well. Thats like saying "murdering sucks" but not ackowledging that the "murderers suck" as well lol.

but if the cheating issue were done to death, then there really isn't a point to the cheater's section, now is there?

but I don't think it is done to death, as long as there are people, there are opinions and opinions change and people join and leave.

The reason YOU don't think its been done to death is because you haven't been around all that long. You missed the whole ADE fiasco as well as what I like to call the Incognito Factor .

However, trust me, it HAS been done to death. And I'm sure it will continue to carry on as newer members join and rehash it all in mundane detail.

It's called Discussion. and that's why this is a Community.

Gee, thank you so much for explaining that to me. I was a little confused but because you had the smarts to italicize those specific words, it finally sunk in. You are a true visionary lol. I am well aware of the fact that this is a community (see I can do that too lol.) However, some discussions lead to flaming and spam which is what this community does not need more of. If you want to discuss how cheating sucks, then by all means, knock yourself out and have fun. But for the rest of us, its simply a case of been there, seen that too many times to care.

And just for the record, ANY topic can be a discussion, but that doesn't mean that it is appropriate for the community (ie. topics about how to kill someone, pornography links etc.) ANYTHING can be discussed, so that part of your argument fails horribly. The point is whether or not some things SHOULD be discussed.

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[Mr_Special]

Saying "Cheating Sucks" does not imply that cheaters suck as well.

Here's some examples:

"Killing sucks" therefore "Soldiers suck"
"Old computers suck" therefore "anyone who uses them sucks"
"Studying sucks" therefore "Students suck"
"Vacuums suck" therefore "Moms suck"

a person is much more complex than an action

Now, about the "cheating done to death" and "comunity" and "discussion" thing...

obviously we have different definitions of a topic that is dead... yours seems to be when there are no more original points. if that is the case, then all topics are officially dead, because there is no such thing as a completely unique opinion that is nothing like any other. but this place still exists, because people like to share their opinions. and that is how i define it as dead, when people no longer share their opinions.

and thats why i reminded you that this is a community - a place where people go to share their opinions, even if they are not completely original.

[edit]n/m put it in its own post, see my next post down.


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[VioletSkye]

On 2004-04-03 14:33, Mr_Special wrote:
Saying "Cheating Sucks" does not imply that cheaters suck as well.

Here's some examples:

"Killing sucks" therefore "Soldiers suck"
"Old computers suck" therefore "anyone who uses them sucks"
"Studying sucks" therefore "Students suck"
"Vacuums suck" therefore "Moms suck"

Now, about the "cheating done to death" and "comunity" and "discussion" thing...

That is true, however I'm quite certain many members will read into the cheating sucks topic as an implication that they suck as well. Why do I think that? Because it has happened every single time. I have the luxury of having been here longer than you and seeing it happen over and over.

obviously we have different definitions of a topic that is dead... yours seems to be when there are no more original points. if that is the case, then all topics are officially dead, because there is no such thing as a completely unique opinion that is nothing like any other.

What would your definition of a dead topic be? BTW, lets forget the fact that this topic has been done to death. You STILL fail to realize the point I'm making (which surprises me considering the fact that you seem intelligent.) The Sticky at the top of the Cheaters is there for a reason. If mods have consistently locked threads of this nature in the past, then what does that tell you? Does that tell you that these discussions normally go well? Or does it tell you that they usually go down the tubes? If you guesses the latter, you would be correct.

Again, lets toss the redundancy of these threads out the window for a moment. The fact remains that the mods understand that a topic like this is pointless and not worthy of discussion. The fact that it also normally leads to flames is another issue that they understand as well. Are you trying to tell me that you (as a new member) know better than the mods how these forums usually work? That would be a bold statement my friend

but this place still exists, because people like to share their opinions. and that is how i define it as dead, when people no longer share their opinions.

Yes it still exists because people share their opinions, but not all opinions (based on the content of said opinion) should be shared.

and thats why i reminded you that this is a community - a place where people go to share their opinions, even if they are not completely original.

As I said you seem like an intelligent person, so I'm sure you can wrap your brain around the fact that there are also rules in place for a reason. The reason is......give up? To make the boards run smooothly. Sharing your opinion is fine as long as it falls under the guidelines of those who run the boards. Not sure what part of Rune's post you didn't understand, but it made perfect sense to me. Cheaters or cheating sucks, Whiny legits, Screw legits, Cheaters Rule etc. are topics we don't need to discuss even if (as I already mentioned) it is physically possible to discuss. You seem to miss that part of it. The part that because something can be discussed doesn't mean it should be. I always thought that was a simple concept.

I have no problem with listening to the countless rehashes of newer members regarding everything from Giant Rappies, to How to find a particular item, to the countless questions about whether or not a weapon is worth trying for, to what was your lowest level char in Ult, to whats your favorite class and why, to what is your favorite weapon, to how come I can't play ult online even though I beat V Hard offline, to aren't Love rappies found only on Valentines day, to How many Mils did it take to get item x, to which is better Snow Queen or Frozen Shooter, to what do you do with Photon Drops, to how do I get a specific mag to evolve, to where can I find Mag cells LOL. Anyway you get the picture