FULL Extended Class Information (new stats thread)

[Itsuki]

Ok, this is the big BA stats thread of doom with my knowledge combined with famitsu's. This is a long post, don't be overwelmed.

[CONTENTS]
0100 Combined Stats
0101 Estimated Base Stats for Level 60
0102 Base Stats Multipliers for the Lower Three
0103 Base Stats Multipliers for Extended Classes
0104 Photon Art Related Stats

0200 Individual Class Analysises
0201 Fortefighter
0202 Fortegunner
0203 Fortecher
0204 Fighgunner
0205 Guntecher
0206 Wartecher
0207 Protranser

[0100] Combined Final Stats
[0101] Estimated Base Stats for Level 60

	Human		Newman		Cast		Beast
	M	F	M	F	M	F	M	F
HP	1340	1300	1269	1226	1540	1478	1670	1585
ATP	480	460	422	402	520	492	560	540
ATA	210	201	228	220	242	230	177	167
TP	605	620	744	761	331	348	365	385
DEF	103	108	97	100	120	123	112	115
EVA	200	210	220	229	152	159	184	192
MST	125	135	202	219	77	82	91	95
STA	10	12	10	12	10	12	10	12

[0102] Base Stats Multipliers for the Lower Three

	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	Luck	TP	MST	Total
Hunter	1.3	1.25	1.45	0.94	0.8	1	1	0.3	0.5	8.54
Ranger	1.04	0.94	1	1.45	1.24	1.1	1	0.35	0.6	8.72
Force	0.9	0.7	1	0.74	1.6	1	1	1.3	1.6	9.84

[0103] Base Stats Multipliers for Extended Classes
All extended class multiplers at Class level 10:

		HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST	Total
Fortefighter	1.3	1.28	1.5	1	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5	8.33
Fortegunner	1.15	1.08	0.8	2	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5	9.78
Fortecher	0.78	0.6	0.6	0.6	2	1	1	1.44	2.45	10.47
Fighgunner	1.16	1.16	1.2	1.2	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5	8.67
Guntecher	1.04	0.94	0.8	1.6	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.44	1	9.52
Wartecher	1.3	1	1.2	0.8	1.6	1	1	0.94	1.1	9.94
Protranser	1.2	0.8	0.8	1	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5	8.10

[0104] Photon Art Related Stats

		PP Usage		PP Recovery		Max PA Levels
		Skills	Bullets	Techs	Melee	Ranged	Force	Skills	Bullets	Techs
Fortefighter	0.8	1	-	1.25	1	-	30	10	-
Fortegunner	1	0.8	-	1	1.25	-	10	30	-
Fortecher	1	1	0.8	1	1	1.25	1	30	30
Fighgunner	1	1	-	1.25	1.25	-	30	20	-
Guntecher	1	1	1	1	1.4	1.25	10	30	10
Wartecher	1	1	1	1.25	1	1.25	20	10	20
Protranser	1	1	1	1	1	1	30	30	-

[0200] Individual Class Analysises
Diferences between Forte and Hybrid:
As a whole, forte classes use less PP in their main PAs and regen PP faster with those weapons. On the other hand, hybrid classes don't get this PP reduction, but they do regen PP faster in both of their hybrid elements. You may notice also that each hybrid class focuses towards one side.

Luck?:
I assume this has to do with crit rate. Only 3 classes are higher in it: ForteGunners, Guntechers, and Protransers.

Protransers?:
Protransers are weird in many ways. Their stats start out extremely low, but as time goes on, they get quite a bit higher. Their HP more than doubles. Their ATP and DEF grow over 1.5x and their ATA doubles. If you grind your way up as a protranser you are rewarded generously, but you still quite low in your main stats. A human or newman protransers for example, even at level 60 and at level 10 protranser STILL cannot equip axes (A male human prontraser should end up with 388 atp, I may be slightly off, but that still means female humans and all newmans can't equip them). Until job level 5 or 6, you won't even be able to touch lasers and gernade launchers. A protranser probably can't equip S-rank weapons simply becaus they barely even have the stats to equip A-rank (hell, they can't even equip most a-rank melee).

Where to Traps fit in?:
All ranger based classes can use traps. Rangers, Fighgunners, and Guntechers can all use the same number of traps. Protransers and Fortegunners, to my knowledge, can use all traps.

[0201] ForteFighter
Weapons:
S: [6,0,0] Sword, Fists, Spear, Axe, Twin Claw, Claw
A: [4,1,0] Twin Saber, Saber, Twin Dagger, Dagger, Handgun

PAs: 30/10/0
PP Usage: 0.8/1/0
PP Recovery: 1.25/1/0

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	1	1.1	1.1	0.75	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
2	1.02	1.12	1.15	0.76	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
3	1.04	1.14	1.21	0.77	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
4	1.06	1.16	1.26	0.78	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
5	1.08	1.18	1.32	0.8	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
6	1.1	1.2	1.37	0.82	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
7	1.15	1.22	1.43	0.84	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
8	1.2	1.24	1.45	0.86	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
9	1.25	1.26	1.47	0.9	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5
10	1.3	1.28	1.5	1	0.5	1	1	0.25	0.5

[0202] Fortegunner
Weapons:
S: [0,5,0] Rifle, Shotgun, Gernade, Laser, Pistol
A: [3,3,0] Spear, Saber, Dagger, Twin Pistols, Crossbow, Mechgun

PAs: 10/30/0
PP Usage: 1/0.8/0
PP Recovery: 1/1.25/0

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	0.8	0.86	0.6	1.5	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
2	0.82	0.9	0.61	1.55	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
3	0.84	0.94	0.62	1.6	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
4	0.86	0.96	0.63	1.65	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
5	0.9	0.98	0.64	1.7	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
6	0.95	1	0.65	1.75	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
7	1	1.02	0.66	1.8	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
8	1.05	1.04	0.68	1.85	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
9	1.1	1.06	0.7	1.9	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5
10	1.15	1.08	0.8	2	1.4	1.25	1.3	0.3	0.5

[0203] Fortecher
Weapons:
S: [0,2,2] Long Bow, Card, Rod, Wand
A: [4,1,0] Spear, Twin Dagger, Dagger, Saber, Handgun

PAs: 1/30/30
PP Usage: 1/1/0.8
PP Recovery: 1/1/1.25

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	0.6	0.5	0.5	0.5	2	1	1	1.2	2
2	0.62	0.51	0.51	0.51	2	1	1	1.25	2.05
3	0.64	0.52	0.52	0.52	2	1	1	1.3	2.1
4	0.66	0.53	0.53	0.53	2	1	1	1.32	2.15
5	0.68	0.54	0.54	0.54	2	1	1	1.34	2.2
6	0.7	0.55	0.55	0.55	2	1	1	1.36	2.25
7	0.72	0.56	0.56	0.56	2	1	1	1.38	2.3
8	0.74	0.57	0.57	0.57	2	1	1	1.4	2.35
9	0.76	0.58	0.58	0.58	2	1	1	1.42	2.4
10	0.78	0.6	0.6	0.6	2	1	1	1.44	2.45

[0204] Fighgunner
Weapons:
S: [5,0,0] Double Saber, Twin Saber, Saber, Twin Dagger, Dagger
A: [5,4,0] Sword, Fists, Spear, Twin Claw, Claw, Twin Pistols, Pistol, Crossbow, Mechgun

PAs: 30/20/0
PP Usage: 1/1/0
PP Recovery: 1.25/1.25/0

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	1	0.93	0.8	0.8	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
2	1.01	0.95	0.82	0.82	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
3	1.02	0.98	0.84	0.84	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
4	1.04	1	0.86	0.86	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
5	1.06	1.02	0.9	0.9	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
6	1.08	1.04	0.95	0.95	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
7	1.1	1.06	1	1	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
8	1.12	1.09	1.05	1.05	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
9	1.14	1.13	1.1	1.1	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5
10	1.16	1.16	1.2	1.2	0.9	1.2	1	0.35	0.5

[0205] Guntecher
Weapons:
S: [0,4,0] Twin Pistols, Pistol, Crossbow, Mechgun
A: [2,5,1] Saber, Dagger, Rifle, Shotgun, Long Bow, Laser, Card, Wand

PAs: 10/30/10
PP Usage: 1/1/1
PP Recovery: 1/1.4/1.25

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	0.8	0.75	0.6	1	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.35	0.75
2	0.82	0.76	0.61	1.05	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.36	0.76
3	0.84	0.77	0.62	1.1	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.37	0.77
4	0.86	0.78	0.63	1.15	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.38	0.78
5	0.88	0.8	0.64	1.2	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.39	0.8
6	0.9	0.82	0.65	1.25	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.4	0.82
7	0.92	0.84	0.66	1.3	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.41	0.84
8	0.96	0.86	0.68	1.35	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.42	0.86
9	1	0.9	0.7	1.4	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.43	0.9
10	1.04	0.94	0.8	1.6	1.2	1.2	1.3	0.44	1

[0206] Wartecher
Weapons:
S: [2,0,0] Twin Dagger, Dagger
A: [6,3,1] Fists, Spear, Twin Saber, Saber, Twin Claw, Claw, Long Bow, Pistol, Card, Wand

PAs: 20/10/20
PP Usage: 1/1/1
PP Recovery: 1.25/1/1.25

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	1	0.75	0.8	0.6	1.6	1	1	0.7	0.8
2	1.01	0.76	0.82	0.61	1.6	1	1	0.72	0.82
3	1.02	0.77	0.84	0.62	1.6	1	1	0.74	0.84
4	1.04	0.78	0.86	0.63	1.6	1	1	0.8	0.86
5	1.06	0.8	0.9	0.64	1.6	1	1	0.82	0.88
6	1.08	0.82	0.95	0.65	1.6	1	1	0.84	0.9
7	1.1	0.84	1	0.66	1.6	1	1	0.86	0.95
8	1.15	0.86	1.05	0.68	1.6	1	1	0.9	1
9	1.2	0.9	1.1	0.7	1.6	1	1	0.92	1.05
10	1.3	1	1.2	0.8	1.6	1	1	0.94	1.1

[0207] Protranser
Weapons:
S: None
A: [5,5,0] Sword, Fists, Spear, Axe, Saber, Shotgun, Long Bow, Gernade, Laser, Pistol

PAs: 30/30/0
PP Usage: 1/1/0
PP Recovery: 1/1/0

LV	HP	ATP	DEF	ATA	EVA	STA	LUCK	TP	MST
1	0.5	0.5	0.5	0.5	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
2	0.6	0.52	0.52	0.6	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
3	0.7	0.56	0.56	0.7	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
4	0.8	0.58	0.58	0.8	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
5	0.9	0.65	0.65	0.9	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
6	1	0.67	0.67	1	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
7	1.05	0.69	0.69	1	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
8	1.1	0.71	0.71	1	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
9	1.15	0.73	0.73	1	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5
10	1.2	0.8	0.8	1	1	1	1.5	0.3	0.5

I may add more stuff later, but for now, have fun with this.

Credits:
Famitsu scans

This website typed up the famitsu stats as well as wiki stats, most information comes from here. (And thanks to Kyori for pointing this website out to me)
http://moemi.mithra.to/~psu/uploader/src/psu0583.html

Parn's Original Extended Class Thread
http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.p...7&forum=22&207

My Original Stats Thread
http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.p...81&forum=22&39

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Itsuki-chan on 2006-11-10 20:28 ]</font>

[Miyoko]

Itsuki-chan, you have no life!

... Er, I mean, good, useful info! I'm sure it'll help people decide on classes.

[Mugaaz2]

This is a somewhat related topic, but usually not covered very well.. How good are the new weapon types in terms of animation / PAs. Some weapons are unbelievably good just because of this (twin daggers). How do the new weapons compare? For classes like GunTecher it's about the only thing that matters.

[Itsuki]

Well, I play guntecher, and I can say straight up that crossbows and cards kill handguns and mechguns every day of the week. They're just delicious.

Lasers are pretty meh. Infact, I don't like them at all and you almost never see them used.

But I think what really matters as a guntecher is the ability to dual wield effectively.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

thanks, nice to see some info on the different expert classes.

[Mugaaz2]

FWIW from using claw/dual claws offline....they're horrrrrrrible.

[SailorDaravon]

Niiiiiiice, thanks!

[Carlo210]

Dual claws aren't bad. The first 2 strikes are slow, but then you dish you 3 more really quickly.
I still like daggers.

BTW, don't go heads over heels with DoubleSabers; they are like any dual weilding weapon )including knuckles) and their PA is annoying.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I also like the dual claws, but I really like the figunner mainly because of the s-rank twin sabers, twin daggers, the crossbows, and the higher ATA and EVP. the double sabers are just an extra.

[bobfish]

I still don't understand why Guntecher and Wartecher have less PA than Fortecher and Figunner.