So....about ST's approach to advertising...

[Sekani]

On 2008-04-20 13:23, Mikura wrote:
And the only reason I said PSU shouldn't be compared to the other MMO's is despite the online fee, it really has absolutely nothing in common with other MMORPGs. Even if ST released all the content in the game starting next week, it still wouldn't be nowhere in scope or grandeur of FFXI, WoW, or whatever. Are we obligated to have better service since we're paying for $10 a month? Sure. But we can't expect a whole lot of radical changes either.

I understand where you're coming from, but you still need to understand as well that the comparisons are inevitable. In fact, you guys should probably use these comparisons to your advantage. Over 10 million people have played WoW, so I'm sure you'd get a reaction if you told them you knew of a game with a better combat system, better character customization, faster travel, no 20-man raids or lame reputation grinds to get the best stuff, and the ability to progress your character without spending two hours a day looking for a party. I mean, you'd still have to deal with the slowdown, lack of content, and the failure of the developers to actually give a damn about anything, but it's a start.

[Else]

There's a few things that we can actively do:

http://boards2.sega.com/psu_board/viewtopic.php?t=75987
I posted a petition there for a PC Free Trial. This is long ways away from something happening, but it has gotten discussion with how people can contribute to getting more players.

MMORPG.com PSU Forums, Commenting on PSU + Posting Screenshots
MMORPG.com is a bit of a rough community at times, but it doesn't hurt to get the PSU forums there active. There are well over thousands of people visiting per day, and people pay close attention to forums that are very active. Starting a post your screenshots thread of some sort would be KEY.

ONRPG.com Screenshots
While it's well known this is a P2P game amongst the ONRPG.com community, there is a thread for posting screenshots which EVERYONE frequents. Posting a lot of screenshots of different aspects of the game there can prove to be VERY helpful.

Youtube.com
Posting videos about events, mission running, character creation, ANYTHING and commenting on them and bringing up the hits can help tremendosly.

Massively.com
These people recently did an article about MAG-- so they are listening! Send in some screenshots to be posted on the website, or ask them to do a re-review.

[Mikura]

On 2008-04-20 13:47, Kelvie wrote:
Better grandeur ?
That is quite subjective, but I sure don't agree with you. Both games sure got better services, and better engine, but I don't see anything I can classify as "better grandeur" in a "lock-on & watch" monster grinder game, over a hack 'n slash.

PSU may be a repetitive game where you kill lame monsters per dozens, at last, you aren't meant to stay for hours on a single map to do it, and not to fight them like you would play beatmania, in way slower, and without the sharp timing not the music.

About the topic, I voted that Sega should handle the advertizing, which is true, but if we players like the game and want more peoples to play with, then, it is our responsability too to make the game known, and give our positives feedbacks about it.
You want something? Go get it.
And there, what players wants seems to be a larger community. So, go help yourselves, peoples.

I only meant the other games in comparison to PSU have far more content and a larger landscape or in-game world...which they do. The problem people see with PSU is it's either a grind fest for exp or repeated runs to hunt a particular rare. There's very little deviation besides those two things. Other MMOs do offer other things besides that to keep the game interesting over the course of many years and even add completely new content that wasn't in the original game before.

But sometimes, being simple is a good thing. I like PSU for this reason. It's not a time sink, nor do you need to have the dedication to get ahead in the game like most MMORPGs have you do. So before you disagree with me again, I'm only pointing out the differences here. I'm in no way glorifying one game over the other.

To S-T-H: Thank you for coming here and making that post to clarify your point. You have my support by the way.

To Sekani: I agree with you and those are exactly the points I will make when I have the time to post a few reviews about the game. I'm a fan of PSU but I'm not going to pretend it's the best thing since sliced bread either. It has many pitfalls, especially with the service, but it has a few qualities about it some may like. And yes, it'll be a start.



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[Criss]

On 2008-04-20 14:10, Sekani wrote:
Over 10 million people have played WoW, so I'm sure you'd get a reaction if you told them you knew of a game with a better combat system, better character customization, faster travel, no 20-man raids or lame reputation grinds to get the best stuff, and the ability to progress your character without spending two hours a day looking for a party. I mean, you'd still have to deal with the slowdown, lack of content, and the failure of the developers to actually give a damn about anything, but it's a start.

Well, considering you just gave twice as many pros as you gave cons, PSU can't be such a bad game, can it? Plus, if you're not the kind of person that somehow absolutely has to do the one and only mission that has the best reward, there's enough missions to keep you busy for a while. Unless you're thinking PSU is the kind of MMO that should be played 40+ hours a week, in which case you'll obviously end up bored with things.

But you're absolutely right about the complete lack of attention from SEGA for this game. There are very easy things they could do that would greatly help bring in new players, like X360 and PC demos that let you try out more than basic PSU launch content. (Or maybe if there were any PC demos at all...) Then obviously, fix the 360's memory-leak-bots problem.

But anyways, even if it's not SEGA that asked the community to advertise, the fact that a community member has to come up with a modest advertisement help idea in the first place means that SEGA still is to blame.

[pikachief]

On 2008-04-20 14:04, Rust wrote:
It's my job to advertise. I'm even paying for it.

fix'd just for sega! lol

[LuigiMario]

All it is is just more people doing SEGAs job. It seems you have to do everything and find out everything yourselves unlike most other games that tell ya everything ya need to know about the things in game and advertize for themselves. SEGA doesn't explain much about this game, its all upto the fans to figure it all out, from luck to synth to luvk lady to w/e is left out, RUBBISH!

Good luck to you all, slaves.

[Syl]

On 2008-04-20 15:52, LuigiMario wrote:
All it is is just more people doing SEGAs job. It seems you have to do everything and find out everything yourselves unlike most other games that tell ya everything ya need to know about the things in game and advertize for themselves. SEGA doesn't explain much about this game, its all upto the fans to figure it all out, from luck to synth to luvk lady to w/e is left out, RUBBISH!

Oh hay, welcome to online RPG's. You must be new here. I can't name any MMO's that have a developer made in-game full game guide besides maybe a couple tips here and there. You swear like PSU is that hard to learn too :/

[SmurfALMIGHTY]

On 2008-04-20 14:49, Criss wrote:

On 2008-04-20 14:10, Sekani wrote:
Over 10 million people have played WoW, so I'm sure you'd get a reaction if you told them you knew of a game with a better combat system, better character customization, faster travel, no 20-man raids or lame reputation grinds to get the best stuff, and the ability to progress your character without spending two hours a day looking for a party. I mean, you'd still have to deal with the slowdown, lack of content, and the failure of the developers to actually give a damn about anything, but it's a start.

Well, considering you just gave twice as many pros as you gave cons, PSU can't be such a bad game, can it? Plus, if you're not the kind of person that somehow absolutely has to do the one and only mission that has the best reward, there's enough missions to keep you busy for a while. Unless you're thinking PSU is the kind of MMO that should be played 40+ hours a week, in which case you'll obviously end up bored with things.

But you're absolutely right about the complete lack of attention from SEGA for this game. There are very easy things they could do that would greatly help bring in new players, like X360 and PC demos that let you try out more than basic PSU launch content. (Or maybe if there were any PC demos at all...) Then obviously, fix the 360's memory-leak-bots problem.

But anyways, even if it's not SEGA that asked the community to advertise, the fact that a community member has to come up with a modest advertisement help idea in the first place means that SEGA still is to blame.

Honestly I think a lot of people have really bad views on the ol the you must play XX amount of hours per week in WOW you can play WOW just as casual as PSU especially now that quest exp in WOW is doubled which will get you mad xp. The only time you need to play wow that much is if your in an end game raid guild which a 95% chance your not considering theres probably only 1 sometimes 2 on a server and if you are chances are you have all the free time you need.

[Shinko]

On 2008-04-20 05:26, Nirvash7 wrote:
It's literally fucking stupid to match anything with WoW right now. Blizzard is at the peak of their success right now so getting people to stay with PSU as opposed to WoW is like a 1* hotel trying to get a big celebrity to stop going to that 4* hotel across the street.

Sega is pretty fucking stupid imo for not letting MS buy them out. Imagine that. If MS bought Sega out, Phantasy Star servers would be around forever, the game would be on a better server, the "monthly fee" would be cheaper, the graphics would be up-to-date, and much more!

And wow...why does your sig remind me of 2girls1cup???

what the hell? what do u mean it cant be compared. any gave that charge a fee and is a mmo can be compared. That sega's fault for getting so low on the charts.

and the 10 fee is one of the cheaps fee's out there. how low do u want it.

oh and you know u like the sig lol

[Shinko]

[quote]On 2008-04-20 10:53, Sekani wrote:

On 2008-04-20 10:18, Mikura wrote:
Even though we have to pay a monthly fee for PSU, I wish people would stop comparing it to FFXI or WoW. I don't care if you consider those games ST's "competition." PSU has and always will be an online RPG that is outside the norm. It's not like any other MMORPG and shouldn't be compared to any others.

All of the games you mentioned are online RPGs with a monthly fee. Those two traits alone make comparisons to WoW and FFXI completely valid, no matter how much you don't like it. All of the people I talked about earlier who didn't stick around because of the demo almost unanimously said that the content compared to WoW was lacking. This is a major negative here, but you can't overcome it by denying that this is an issue.

The game's far from great but I could easily recommend it to friends and anyone I know without losing face. Just be completely honest with them about all the pros AND cons of the game.

I'm being completely honest when I say that in it's current state I would not recommend it. This is not so much the fault of the actual game as it is the result of me having lost all confidence in the development team. Until the massive slowdown issues are fixed at the very least, I will not recommend it to anyone else. If someone else happens to be curious for whatever reason I won't dissuade them from checking it out, but beyond that I feel I would be doing people a disservice.





i completely agree with both comments he said. I mean i like psu i like it alot main because it's different but man so many issue they have that needs to be fix and they always screwing up something (especially on pc/ps2)