Why Phantasy Star Zero has the upper hand over Phantasy Star Portable 2.

**Arikado** · Nov 20, 2009, 12:35 PM

The main difference between PSO and PSU is that PSO was "unlocked" from the start, PSU is only being locked due to Sega wanting to make more profit out of the game.

EDIT: If PSU had been unlocked from the start, I might have enjoyed it but like Niered said, it was only about waiting on updates, to finally grind the content in a weekend of time with good players, then wait another 3 months+ for new content.

A lot of players started playing PSU at like level 100+, I started 4 days after it came out because I couldn't get the PS2 version anywhere, so yeah I had my share of waiting on content, maxing all my PAs on my 4 charas etc.

EDIT: Let's not forget PC/PS2 servers had a bunch of hackers, so that ruined it too for me, perhaps if I started on 360 from Day 1 i'd still be playing today.

**Lunar_Furor** · Nov 20, 2009, 12:40 PM

I sold psu for the 360 because I hate it... ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, when a service on a console makes me pay for online. On the PC I'm willing to pay a monthly fee. Because it's one service. But I pay for internet, then XBL, and then they want me to pay for PSU subscription or w/e? I'll pass.

**Arikado** · Nov 20, 2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lunar_Furor

I sold psu for the 360 because I hate it... ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, when a service on a console makes me pay for online. On the PC I'm willing to pay a monthly fee. Because it's one service. But I pay for internet, then XBL, and then they want me to pay for PSU subscription or w/e? I'll pass.

Aren't you paying for Xbox Live either ways though? I mean i'd play on 360 servers if I were you because they had no hacks mainly.

I'm one of the few guys that refused given 99 mils meseta on PC/PS2 servers, the day they fixed it, I was screwed, everyone had 8 x 99 mil Meseta while I had my legit 10m. >_>;

**Lunar_Furor** · Nov 20, 2009, 12:52 PM

Yeah but that's my point. I'm ALREADY paying for XBL, which puts me in contact with the people already! Every other game I have ever wanted and have has 'free online' BECAUSE of it's compatibility with XBL. If someone is hacking on XBL, and caught, they will be banned. So I find it utterly redundant to charge me for an online system that doesn't need to exist. If it were like 5 usd sure, that'd be fine. But 15 usd a month (correct me if I'm wrong) is quite a bit for me. I only make about 1.2k a month, and live w/ my mom for now (she's moving to Tennessee in a few years so if I stay here I get to stay in the house and just take over the bills) and while I can support my self on that money 15 a month is about 2 weeks of food for me. It's basically a shell thing. PSU, inside Xbl, inside internet. I don't like the idea that if this is allowed to go on, and other companies pick it up, and I just so happen to like the games, I'll have to pay 60 usd for the game AND x usd a month PER GAME. I don't like it.

**landman** · Nov 20, 2009, 01:26 PM

I've been playing PSU for two years without paying for xbox live... I just went gold a year ago and I'm paying for both (and hardly using any of them lol)

**beatrixkiddo** · Nov 20, 2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Lunar_Furor

Yeah but that's my point. I'm ALREADY paying for XBL, which puts me in contact with the people already! Every other game I have ever wanted and have has 'free online' BECAUSE of it's compatibility with XBL. If someone is hacking on XBL, and caught, they will be banned. So I find it utterly redundant to charge me for an online system that doesn't need to exist. If it were like 5 usd sure, that'd be fine. But 15 usd a month (correct me if I'm wrong) is quite a bit for me. I only make about 1.2k a month, and live w/ my mom for now (she's moving to Tennessee in a few years so if I stay here I get to stay in the house and just take over the bills) and while I can support my self on that money 15 a month is about 2 weeks of food for me. It's basically a shell thing. PSU, inside Xbl, inside internet. I don't like the idea that if this is allowed to go on, and other companies pick it up, and I just so happen to like the games, I'll have to pay 60 usd for the game AND x usd a month PER GAME. I don't like it.

a) You don't need Live to play PSU.
b) Just because you HAVE Live already doesn't mean it's outlandish of SEGA (who doesn't profit from Live) to charge for THEIR service.
c) 9 dollars a month out of 1200 isn't very much.
d) 15 bucks is two weeks of food? Do you eat nothing but ramen?

**Zencidal** · Nov 20, 2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by beatrixkiddo

a) You don't need Live to play PSU.
b) Just because you HAVE Live already doesn't mean it's outlandish of SEGA (who doesn't profit from Live) to charge for THEIR service.
c) 9 dollars a month out of 1200 isn't very much.
d) 15 bucks is two weeks of food? Do you eat nothing but ramen?

Good point, I played PSU for a month with only silver which is free and I didn't find $9 a big hassle per month.
I just didn't have fun so I left.

**Niered** · Nov 20, 2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by landman

HAHA, Dreamcast and Playstation 2 are on the same generation, sir.

Oh yes, because it wasn't like the game came out near the end of that consoles lifetime, and for the 360 as well no less.

Your point does nothing more than highlight the fact that PSU came out so long after PSO, that It should have been an improvement. Instead it was downgrade. I was using that as an example of how much better the series should have gotten in that period of time.

In any case, I'm finished arguing this point. Ive made a clear and thorough argument as to why PSU is an awful, cheap attempt at an Online Action RPG, by continuing to dissect minute parts of my statements you do nothing more than validate the ones you avoid. Have fun playing a game where "patches" are nothing more than bytes of unlock data, and the bosses and enemies are all reskins. Hope you don't get bored playing that same mission highlight for a month straight, and don't forget that your server populations are smaller than diablo's.

**BIG OLAF** · Nov 20, 2009, 08:05 PM