Bouncer Class Discussion

[LonelyGaruga]

^That's not completely true for Jet Boots they have both.

Jet Boots: Beg. Extend Level 4 (479 S-ATK) and (496 T-ATK).

Have you been reading this thread? The fact that Jet Boots have S-ATK has been discussed thoroughly and is known by everyone already. Granted, OP hasn't updated, but it still had DBZ as the Dual Blade abbreviation, despite DB not being taken. Read the whole thread, not just the OP.

Normally they use the (496 T-ATK) stat for Melee? & Tech.

Switch Strike (Active Skill)

For Jet Boots only.
Changes the dependent parameters [T-ATK → S-ATK]

Making you swap the (496 T-ATK) to the (479 S-ATK) instead. So you can have both but it's uncertain if it can be canceled so you can swap at any given time. Also it's uncertain if this changes it's type from a Tech weapon to a Striking weapon.

This will be helpful when you combine different Subs or when Bo is the Sub. Jet boots can also work around both to get the best combination of boosts possible.

We already know all of this stuff. Besides the nonsense about type changing. You are aware that weapons can deal off-type damage, right? Wand Gear is striking type T-ATK damage. Melee attacks from Jet Boots are going to be the same thing, though calculated with S-ATK when Switch Strike is in play.

Update: was thinking about it and it may have to have a type change with it. Because a stat change won't do anything or much since it has both stats. At first, we thought of it as a (496 T-ATK) stat alone that would be changed to a stand alone (496 S-ATK) stat. But we have both (479 S-ATK) and (496 T-ATK) so interchanging them won't do anything. The only thing I can see is that it'll be like this: Normal - Tech Weapon - (496 T-ATK)(Primary for PAs & Techs) and (479 S-ATK)(for Basic attacks) to this with Switch Strike: Swap'd - Striking Weapon - (479 S-ATK))(Primary for PAs & Basic attacks) and (496 T-ATK)(for Techs).

OK...what? No, this makes no sense. The point of switching the stats isn't just the weapon stat. You also have affixes, mag, and your own natural stats. If a Bouncer using mainly Dual Blades focuses entirely on S-ATK, then Switch Strike, from what we know of it, allows the Jet Boots to do respectable damage using S-ATK instead of the lower T-ATK stat. The normal attacks and PAs should definitely be striking attacks either way, because tech attacks are just techs. Which normals and PAs obviously are not.

[Omega-z]

Have you been reading this thread? The fact that Jet Boots have S-ATK has been discussed thoroughly and is known by everyone already. Granted, OP hasn't updated, but it still had DBZ as the Dual Blade abbreviation, despite DB not being taken. Read the whole thread, not just the OP.

There is no point in saying that since there are those that have missed all this in the first place. So bringing it back to light that is all.

We already know all of this stuff. Besides the nonsense about type changing. You are aware that weapons can deal off-type damage, right? Wand Gear is striking type T-ATK damage. Melee attacks from Jet Boots are going to be the same thing, though calculated with S-ATK when Switch Strike is in play.

Good for you, It wasn't for you in the first place. Yes, Wand Gear is striking type T-ATK damage. But we don't know if Strike Switch well be like that at all.

OK...what? No, this makes no sense. The point of switching the stats isn't just the weapon stat. You also have affixes, mag, and your own natural stats. If a Bouncer using mainly Dual Blades focuses entirely on S-ATK, then Switch Strike, from what we know of it, allows the Jet Boots to do respectable damage using S-ATK instead of the lower T-ATK stat. The normal attacks and PAs should definitely be striking attacks either way, because tech attacks are just techs. Which normals and PAs obviously are not.

Reason why is we don't know how Strike Switch will work out side of the T-atk to S-atk thing. Your thinking it will apply to all the stats which it could be. But it could also be only off the weapon itself like Wand Reactor (it's weapon only). Sega's making a lot of changes and Jet boots PA's will have to work off T-atk so there not your normal PA's. Also not to make it to OP in the first place. We could get more info on it during the 8/16 niconico livestream.

[LonelyGaruga]

There is no point in saying that since there are those that have missed all this in the first place. So bringing it back to light that is all.

Or they could spend time reading the last couple pages and find a significantly more coherent discussion about all the stuff that was recently released about Bouncer, instead of one barely coherent post covering one particular aspect of the update. Which they would have to do anyway if they wanted to learn anything about the stuff you didn't cover.

Good for you, It wasn't for you in the first place. Yes, Wand Gear is striking type T-ATK damage. But we don't know if Strike Switch well be like that at all.

It wouldn't make sense for it not to. Anyone following the thread with a lick of common sense and knowledge about the game already knows that, hence why I didn't say I already knew this. What you are suggesting is that, using a skill, the attacks will switch to a completely different damage formula that is outright incompatible. If Jet Boot normals/PAs, at any time, were tech attacks, they would benefit from Tech Advance skills, PP Charge Revival, trigger Weak Stance without needing weak points, and possibly benefit from Elemental Masteries, depending on how that's programmed. That doesn't work. Would it make sense for non-ranged attacks to head-shot? No. Why would this? Same principle.

Reason why is we don't know how Strike Switch will work out side of the T-atk to S-atk thing. Your thinking it will apply to all the stats which it could be. But it could also be only off the weapon itself like Wand Reactor (it's weapon only).

Wand Reactor spells out that it adds the equipped wand's T-ATK to S-ATK. Switch Strike does no such thing. "Changes the dependent parameters" practically says outright that it goes from using T-ATK to S-ATK for damage calculation. And why would it be restricted to the weapon's stats only? If it did, how would that make any sense? If it worked the way you describe it as possible, it would use the weapon's S-ATK and the player's T-ATK. That's idiotic.

Sega's making a lot of changes and Jet boots PA's will have to work off T-atk so there not your normal PA's. Also not to make it to OP in the first place.

1) I had no idea that PAs were not allowed to use T-ATK when we already have normal attacks using each ATK stat. Is there some sort of rule preventing this?
2) Why would it be OP? I see this being thrown around a lot, but it's (un)surprisingly rare to see it being used to describe something that would be OP.

[GHNeko]

Is this really necessary? lol

[Specialgirl]

you two arguing brings nothing to the thread especialy for thos of us who are reading every single post

and me commenting on it is hypicritical but ima risk it can we just cut the hate chain right now please ?

[Xaelouse]

Not sure why you're reading the thread atm...there's not much interesting until real gameplay is shown, or when episode 3 is out.

[Shinamori]

It would have been nice for them to demo EP3....

[XrosBlader821]

I tried digging the most I could out of the EP3 trailer to see how the Bouncer skill tree looks like. Unfortunately all the cool stuff is on the right side.

Spoiler!

[Kondibon]

From bumped for refrence.

• Shifta Air Attack Boost
• Rapid Boost
• Rapid Boost JA Bonus
• Photon Blade Escape?
• Jet Boots Strike?
• Elemental Burst
• Photon Blade Fever Up?
• Dual Blade Gear
• Jet Boots Gear
• Elemental PP Restorate F
• Elemental Stance
• Elemental Stance Up 1
• Elemental S Critical
• Break Stance
• Break Stance Up
• Break S Critical

[Rien]

Also Photon Blade Gear (under Photon Blade Fever)