Expert block, Eloser XH
So I parsered TeSu to see how shitty they are. Just for you, again.
The 4th person was TeFo but nobody cares.
Of course someone is going to say this is bad pug and proves nothing and Su is still shit and so on. I would like to see how your TeBr and TeHu pwn in bad pugs.
Well this is about to get interesting,
The only diff between TeSu and SuTe is Shifta Strike vs Alter Ego isn't it?
There aren't even 10% class boost titles for Su afaik.
That's a pretty fair argument if the point is to compare it to other classes... Especially since I've seen people do twice that DPS (if that's the total damage and not DPS then it's even more irrelevant because it doesn't even tell you anything). Highest hits aren't relevant at all considering how many classes use multi hit attacks for their high damage stuff.Originally Posted by sparab
Honestly, those Maron strikes just make me wonder how much more a Su/Gu would do, even with a pug party.
Well first of all, no one is comparing Te/Su to Su/Te. We're comparing Te/Su to Su with literally any decent sub in a group setting specifically. Su/Te is actually worse anywa because all you really get compared to Su/Br and Su/Gu is a need to element match for your universal damage damage bonus, deband toughness, and no burst option from chain trigger or weak stance. :T
Second of all, it's also missing Sympathy. :/
Last edited by Kondibon; Dec 11, 2016 at 06:25 AM.
First of all, we are discussing whether Su sub is total shit in average pug. Su is always better for main class and nobody objects that.
That's a pretty fair argument if the point is to compare it to other classes... Especially since I've seen people do twice that DPS (if that's the total damage and not DPS then it's even more irrelevant because it doesn't even tell you anything). Highest hits aren't relevant at all considering how many classes use multi hit attacks for their high damage stuff.
Honestly, those Maron strikes just make me wonder how much more a Su/Gu would do, even with a pug party.
Well first of all, no one is comparing Te/Su to Su/Te. We're comparing Te/Su to Su with literally any decent sub in a group setting specifically. Su/Te is actually worse anywa because all you really get compared to Su/Br and Su/Gu is a need to element match for your universal damage damage bonus, deband toughness, and no burst option from chain trigger or weak stance. :T
Second of all, it's also missing Sympathy. :/
Second of all, I am comparing what tesu can do to tebr as TE. I can give MPA shifta strike plus strong zanverus while doing tons of damage.
To argue "why not go main su if they can do more damage " is just like saying Sufi does more why go subr.
I am simply to convince tesu is a good pick instead of total trash to be blacklisted. Everybody is welcome to play whatever class they want as long as they get the job/damage done.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkh2BqrboA
Thats how much more Su/Gu does.
Last edited by Moffen; Dec 11, 2016 at 04:32 PM.
about TE/SU doing more damage, it's only half true. you get tons of leeway for bossing because lol Marron and better zanverse damage, again for bossing. But when you look at TE/SU's performance when it comes to mobbing, it can have a bit of trouble (dealing with elements with pets can be kind of urgh, and the damage you ge both from mobbing pets, which are not super broken like marron and from subpar whacks can be a problem at times). I really don't think TE/SU outshines the other TEs for general uses, but it clearly isn't a bad pick either (as I've said a while ago, it already was a pretty good pick for raid bosses, and is now more than ever a good choice for them)
to me TE/SU is TE/BR with better bossing but worse mobbing and tech usage. Marron vs Rikauteri performance is pretty much a case-by-case scenario because of how marron works (Building hits to throw the guy can be a cinch or a pain depending on what you face) Rikauteri's performance varies largely as well, depending on boss and whether they have an accessible corruption core or not)
Lastly people need to remember something very important for TE : unlike most other classes, TE isn't a class that abides by the "pick THAT sub or you're useless" rule. TE already uses 4 different subclasses for general use builds, and they all work incredibly well. If anything having the option of using pets as SU sub makes it to me a relatively decent 5th choice.
Last edited by Zephyrion; Dec 11, 2016 at 05:58 PM.
But then again TE has the option of using wands tho.
true but your whacks really feel weak compared to HU or FI's performance in that regard, even BR gets better damage despite being the worst whacker out of the 3. It may not seem consequential for non XH stuff, but when you come across tankier mobs, All Attack bonus + All Atk Up doesn't really make the cut, and point assist only applies to one target. Pets like Torim or Popple can somewhat help at times, but it can become a struggle, especially in stuff like TD
Last edited by Zephyrion; Dec 11, 2016 at 05:57 PM.
That is exactly my point.
TeSu is a good option for Te at raid boss. It is not super niche nor
Of course it is not the best pick for roaming EQ like Xmas. Getting multi element pets is much harder than getting multi element wands. But it is still far from the worst.
Last edited by sparab; Dec 11, 2016 at 05:58 PM.
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