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    Is the DPS difference between Gizonde and type0 zonde enough to warrant a palette slot?
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=735083573

    According to this it isn't, unless PHSC is active.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozumi View Post
    Is the DPS difference between Gizonde and type0 zonde enough to warrant a palette slot?
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=735083573

    According to this it isn't, unless PHSC is active.
    the point of using gizonde for boss dps is its quick charge you can execute between countering/mirage/tech parry. zonde0 is only useful when a boss is *not* attacking you at this point because having to mirage out of it regularly becomes a net dps loss.
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    In theory,yes but did you look at zonde type0's dps compared to gizonde? Outside of PHSC it's not even worth it. Are the DPS numbers listed on that spreadsheet wrong? That's basically what I'm asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozumi View Post
    In theory,yes but did you look at zonde type0's dps compared to gizonde? Outside of PHSC it's not even worth it. Are the DPS numbers listed on that spreadsheet wrong? That's basically what I'm asking.
    the dps is about 7% higher. whether it's worth it is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozumi View Post
    In theory,yes but did you look at zonde type0's dps compared to gizonde? Outside of PHSC it's not even worth it. Are the DPS numbers listed on that spreadsheet wrong? That's basically what I'm asking.
    I think I mentioned it before, but Zonde T0 is very situational and if the target does not stay still or moves only a little bit for the whole duration (rare) then the dps is not great because only the final hit of Zonde T0 has good damage.

    Since you can max all 3 elements, fire charge reduction and lightning pp reduction and all other important skills as well (p flare isn't very important to max and you have enough sp to even get afterburst), Gizonde is quite spammable for quite high damage and good aoe with the damage in a single fast hit that works great on fast targets.

    In fact I am thinking about reverting back to normal Zonde because I find so few situations where T0 is actually reliable and I don't have to worry about the target dodging the final hit. Gizonde's range is sadly a bit less than hr weapon range so basic Zonde which iirc as very long range should help when the target is too far for Gizonde.

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    What's a good force tree? I haven't played for a long time so I asked a friend who plays force, but looking at it I'm not so sure on it. This is his tree he gave me for my friend: https://bit.ly/3c5L6C0

    Do any of you have a better force tree?
    Sorry but that makes me wince lol, never max atk up 1 unless you already maxed every other damage related skill and all other good skills as well.

    This is the tree I'm using at the moment:
    https://bit.ly/2L5X5E7
    Using et sub which means fo elements are really strong and I am tanky as hell.
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    What's a good force tree? I haven't played for a long time so I asked a friend who plays force, but looking at it I'm not so sure on it. This is his tree he gave me for my friend: https://bit.ly/3c5L6C0

    Do any of you have a better force tree?
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    what's the best sub for force without ph and et ? i'm running fo/te but i feel so underwhelmed compared to other classes, gameplay is pretty boring too ? charge > wait pp regen > charge > repeat

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    Quote Originally Posted by sol_trigger View Post
    what's the best sub for force without ph and et ? i'm running fo/te but i feel so underwhelmed compared to other classes, gameplay is pretty boring too ? charge > wait pp regen > charge > repeat
    you're literally playing it already

    PP Restorate/Convert are you're primary skills to use for PP recovery since I dont think any PP batteries really exist in NA atm
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    Tell you what mate, I'll decide when my topic goes into the QQ post or when it needs to be it's own thing, and you can do the same for yours. Alright, cool. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by sol_trigger View Post
    what's the best sub for force without ph and et ? i'm running fo/te but i feel so underwhelmed compared to other classes, gameplay is pretty boring too ? charge > wait pp regen > charge > repeat
    Queen Viera (12* gunslash iirc common in XH forest, fang banther EQ drops it often) has an 80% attack pp regen buff which makes it a great way to regen pp rapidly for all builds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mother clusterfck View Post
    Queen Viera (12* gunslash iirc common in XH forest, fang banther EQ drops it often) has an 80% attack pp regen buff which makes it a great way to regen pp rapidly for all builds.
    he asked for a sub class, not a utility weapon but regardless he knows now and hes also on NA
    Cast - Gt 50, Fg 20, Gm 25
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Tell you what mate, I'll decide when my topic goes into the QQ post or when it needs to be it's own thing, and you can do the same for yours. Alright, cool. Cheers

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