Some info I wanted to tell the community about SEGA & Updates.

[Zeek123]

Does anyone really care anymore at this point?

New and better games are coming out all the time. Save it as a pleasant memory and move on, people. Sega'll disappoint you again soon enough, don't worry. No need to go kicking what's dead/dying.

[Valencia Superbia]

Can't say I'm surprised.

Have to agree, it's nothing to be really surprised about. Not to mention it doesn't make a difference to me since it's just a game in the end.

[Max B]

Have to agree, it's nothing to be really surprised about. Not to mention it doesn't make a difference to me since it's just a game in the end.

Well, obviously you have not shelled out $ since the begining of this game.
Obviously you do not have a real sense on what money is worth.

[dragoon-girl]

However, JP DLC = real DLC. you never get those weapons/shield/clothes/hair style/GAS/ R missions/ new name of co-op mission in the data from all the previous hackers work.
JP users have to download 100 Mb ~ 300 Mb of files every month.
so I m very sure that you guys US players won't have these contend yet until you guys have to download the same amount of DLC.

It's only a lot because they make you download stuff you've already got before from an archive.. as well as the new things. Or so I have heard..

[Arika]

It's only a lot because they make you download stuff you've already got before from an archive.. as well as the new things. Or so I have heard..

anything that PS2 users can't access = new DLC

anything that they can access = either :
A.
old stuffs to unlock. (which ST said that they unlocked all before supplement)
B.
old stuffs that newly rearrange (this include all the new event and new missions. They have to work on existed texture to make new mission)


so either it is DLC or "B" they have to work to make it happen. If it is A, then they don't have to work.

If you want to prove that any of the new mission is "A" (stuff yet to be unlocked) Then you have to ask any hacker to release any new mission before JP server get it.

You can't simply judge that the mission is already on the disk by just seeing "mission name/rank" It can be empty list too.
As far as I know, ST already prepare to have up until rank S5 since the start of v.1 (there was a picture of that since old time)

[dragoon-girl]

anything that PS2 users can't access = new DLC

I'm not saying the first time you update it's not new.. I mean, after that, each month. Some of it is stuff you already got before... D: Of course there's the new clothes in it to. I don't know if it has to be like that or what.. but I'm just saying, it's not a lot because every update is huge... it's just they push stuff from an archive of things to. :s

[Valencia Superbia]

Well, obviously you have not shelled out $ since the begining of this game.
Obviously you do not have a real sense on what money is worth.

Either you're getting defensive or you're being argumentative for no real reason. Regardless...

Video games are a luxury, not a necessity. I have been paying money for this game for quite some time and am aware what it is worth. I'm simply stating that the game is just a game, and I'm going to stop playing it when I can't pay for it or when I don't care for it anymore. However I sincerely doubt the former will happen.

I don't know what your issue is but don't start getting argumentative when I post my opinion and I am not directing it at any person or group.

Also, just because I am satisfied with what I currently have does not mean I am not aware of what money is worth. My length of time playing this game is completely irrelevant.

[darthplagis]

the thing with the JP updates is there hae been a big chunk of them to add new clothes and game features like new GAM options and such like, all which have to run from the client (user) side, that includes new meshes and textures for hairstyles and costumes since they are completly new and dont use existing ones, i imagine there are a few new meshes for coming weapons too, as some dimentions will be different (glasher for example is not a normal hand gun). (for those that dont know meshes are the wire frame that the texture/skin sits on, be it clothes, hair or weapon). the actual weapon data and description will not take up much room in the client side data and probably will be in the form of an updated item library which would overwrite any previous one, which is why PS2 on JP side gets the item but not the skin.

the data that the server holds and manages is the important stuff like game mechanics, drop rates and such like, as well as the core of the online world you are playing on. this is what gets updated during maintainence, anybody remember the debug mission the devs left up for an afternoon back in the day? ah the serafi fiasco, these are all server side and have no client access other than lobby/mission selection. this section of the game (client side) is what is updated in title updates, enabling you to access new content. i think this is the part that people are assuming SEGA had implemented since the start, contary to that it is the one area of the game the hackers have the hardest time with as it is server controlled and not easy to re engineer.

thats why the basis of the missions and the counters/lobbies are already on the disk, they always have been and if they were not there in v1 they have been added as the need arises, thats not saying the data that you (the client) ultimatly accesses(be it a map or weapon) has been there since the start, mearly the means to access that have been there.

[desturel]

Okay maybe I'm not understanding the outrage, but the supplemental update isn't about the new missions or the new stats which can always be modified on the fly by the server admins, but the new graphical content which has to be downloaded. While they could easily make new missions and modify data that already exists, they can't add in the new data that is included with the update.

To put it another way, they can add Gold Bars to the items shop at any time and they can make a new mission whenever they feel like it, but they can't add in new weapons, clothes and items without the update.

I thought this was a given that everyone understood. Photon art levels have always been variable. Remember when the slicers were nerfed? That didn't take a new system download. So really, you are getting upset by things that should have been obvious from the beginning.

OMG! We could have had new missions without the update!? Well of course we could have. You didn't need a downloadable update when Firebreak, 1up, Lightning Carnival, or Shred the Darkness began did you? It's all the same enemies in a different layout, heck, there are still a ton of maps on the original disk that are still unused. Check out the offline game, there are maps available in offline PSU that we don't have access to online.

The only thing you would need to download would be, new clothes, new creatures (reskins of old creatures along the lines of Naval/Nava Ludda), new maps (reskins of older maps along the lines of demons above/sakura blast), new weapon graphics, new hairstyles, basically anything that you would SEE as being different. Any game data that you can't see can be modified on the fly.

[darthplagis]

Okay maybe I'm not understanding the outrage, but the supplemental update isn't about the new missions or the new stats which can always be modified on the fly by the server admins, but the new graphical content which has to be downloaded. While they could easily make new missions and modify data that already exists, they can't add in the new data that is included with the update.

To put it another way, they can add Gold Bars to the items shop at any time and they can make a new mission whenever they feel like it, but they can't add in new weapons, clothes and items without the update.

I thought this was a given that everyone understood. Photon art levels have always been variable. Remember when the slicers were nerfed? That didn't take a new system download. So really, you are getting upset by things that should have been obvious from the beginning.

OMG! We could have had new missions without the update!? Well of course we could have. You didn't need a downloadable update when Firebreak, 1up, Lightning Carnival, or Shred the Darkness began did you? It's all the same enemies in a different layout, heck, there are still a ton of maps on the original disk that are still unused. Check out the offline game, there are maps available in offline PSU that we don't have access to online.

The only thing you would need to download would be, new clothes, new creatures (reskins of old creatures along the lines of Naval/Nava Ludda), new maps (reskins of older maps along the lines of demons above/sakura blast), new weapon graphics, new hairstyles, basically anything that you would SEE as being different. Any game data that you can't see can be modified on the fly.

why could'nt i put it like that that made more sense than what i was trying to say LOL

and on the offline maps side of things, the FIRST mission you do in parums wetlands was amazing yet never used, and the frozen moatoob... again never used. absolute zero promises frozen/corrupted neudiaz but yeah that was on disk on day of release too.

stop complaining about what could have been, cos we cant change it.